Cow of Shame Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 [quote name='God Conquers' post='1008243' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:25 PM'] Come on now! No underhanded comments! [/quote] I've got to hand it to you, you're pretty funny too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' post='1007853' date='Jun 18 2006, 05:07 PM'] hahaha [/quote] perv. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 [quote name='Semperviva' post='1010402' date='Jun 22 2006, 12:47 PM'] perv. lol [/quote] [mod]foul language --phatcatholic[/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Doomsday' post='1015569' date='Jun 30 2006, 10:02 PM'] [mod]foul language --phatcatholic[/mod] [/quote] [mod]foul language --phatcatholic[/mod] Edited July 1, 2006 by phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 [quote name='Doomsday' post='1015606' date='Jun 30 2006, 10:17 PM'] post deleted by littleflower+JMJ [/quote] I think I'm an intelligent girl who sees that you need some serious spiritual guidance to lead you away from the "Coyote Ugly" prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkaands Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 [quote name='thedude' post='1008420' date='Jun 19 2006, 03:48 PM'] I would say that is one good reason to consider it a serious matter. Since the procreative act, in a way, mirrors the Heavenly Father's act of Creation, the dignity of procreation must be protected against all abuse. [/quote] I thought that we had runout of soapboxes. Guess not. I think that it's funny that there are so many posts on this topic. Guess that it's important to the readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 [quote name='jkaands' post='1020223' date='Jul 8 2006, 08:39 PM'] I thought that we had runout of soapboxes. Guess not. I think that it's funny that there are so many posts on this topic. Guess that it's important to the readers. [/quote] I don't think I understand what you mean. Could you clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 (edited) [quote][b]Leviticus 15:1-17[/b] (to men) "And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying: Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them[b]: The man that hath an issue of seed, shall be unclean[/b]. [b]And then shall he be judged subject to this evil, when a filthy humour, at every moment, [u]cleaveth to his flesh[/u], and gathereth there[/b]. Every bed on which he sleepeth, shall be unclean, and every place on which he sitteth. If ally man touch his bed, he shall wash his clothes: and being washed with water, he shall be unclean until the evening. If a man sit where that man hath sitten, he also shall wash his clothes: and being washed with water, shall be unclean until the evening. He that toucheth his flesh, shall wash his clothes: and being himself washed with water shall be unclean until the evening. If such a man cast his spittle upon him that is clean, he shall wash his clothes: and being washed with water, he shall be unclean until the evening. The saddle on which he hath sitten shall be unclean. And whatsoever has been under him that hath the issue of seed, shall be unclean until the evening. He that carrieth any of these things, shall wash his clothes: and being washed with water, he shall be unclean until the evening. Every person whom such a one shall touch, not having washed his hands before, shall wash his clothes: and being washed with water, shall be unclean until the evening. If he touch a vessel of earth, it shall be broken: but if a vessel of wood, if shall be washed with water. If he who suffereth this disease be healed, he shall number seven days after his cleansing, and having washed his clothes, and all his body in living water, he shall be clean. And on the eighth day he shall take two turtles, or two young pigeons, and he shall come before the Lord, to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, and shall give them to the priest: Who shall offer one for sin, and the other for a holocaust: and he shall pray for him before the Lord, that he may be cleansed of the issue of his seed. The man from whom the seed of copulation goeth out, shall wash all his body with water: and he shall be unclean until the evening. The garment or skin that he weareth, he shall wash with water, and it shall be unclean until the evening. The woman, with whom he copulateth, shall be washed with water, and shall be unclean until the evening." [url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03015.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03015.htm[/url][/quote] [quote][b]Leviticus 15:18-30[/b] (to women) "The woman, who at the return of the month, [b]hath her issue of blood[/b], shall be separated seven days. Every one that toucheth her, shall be unclean until the evening. And every thing that she sleepeth on, or that she sitteth on in the days of her separation, shall be defiled. He that toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes: and being himself washed with water, shall be unclean until the evening. Whosoever shall touch any vessel on which she sitteth, shall wash his clothes: and himself being washed with water, shall be defiled until the evening. If a man copulateth with her in the time of her flowers, he shall be unclean seven days: and every bed on which he shall sleep shall be defiled. The woman that hath an issue of blood many days out of her ordinary time, or that ceaseth not to flow after the monthly courses, as long as she is subject to this disease, shall be unclean, in the same manner as if she were in her flowers. Every bed on which she sleepeth, and every vessel on which she sitteth, shall be defiled. Whosoever toucheth them shall wash his clothes: and himself being washed with water, shall be unclean until the evening. If the blood stop and cease to run, she shall count seven days of her purification: And on the eighth day she shall offer for herself to the priest, two turtles, or two young pigeons, at the door of the tabernacle of the testimony: And he shall offer one for sin, and the other for a holocaust, and he shall pray for her before the Lord, and for the issue of her uncleanness." [url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03015.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03015.htm[/url][/quote] [quote][b]Leviticus 15:31-33[/b] (general) "[u]You shall teach therefore the children of Israel to take heed of uncleanness[/u], [b][u]that they may not die in their filth[/u][/b], when they shall have defiled my tabernacle that is among them. This is the law of him that hath the issue of seed, and that is defiled by copulation. And of the woman that is separated in her monthly times, or that hath a continual [u][b]issue of blood[/b][/u], and of the man that sleepeth with her." [url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03015.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03015.htm[/url][/quote]These legal uncleannesses were instituted in order to give the people a horror of carnal impurities... Edited March 30, 2007 by Mr.CatholicCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTruth Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) While reading Leviticus today, it talks about men who spread their seed of compulation, and that it makes them unclean. It doesn't say anything about sin offerings made for it. I just think it means it is unhealthy to do it, and you shouldn't. And then it says to bath yourself immediately. That doesn't mean it is immediately sinful though - or God would ask for a sin offering if you did that. God knows you have needs, and if you're not married, I can't see him saying - NO! That's a sin, without saying so in his word. [quote name='Leviticus 15:16-18' date=' KJV']And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.[/quote] [quote name='Leviticus 15:16-18' date=' JPS']And if the flow of seed go out from a man, then he shall bathe all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the flow of seed, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. The woman also with whom a man shall lie carnally, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.[/quote] So God's only command, wash your body, and wash your clothes. He doesn't give any other command, when it comes to making a sin offering - so I conclude, God doesn't think masturbation is a sin, but make sure you take a shower and wash your clothes after. These are one of these stupid little things Satan loves condemming us for. We are sexual beings, and if we are not married, you're allowed to relieve yourself. Just wash your body and clothes afterwards! Edited March 31, 2007 by FullTruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1224229' date='Mar 31 2007, 02:11 PM']While reading Leviticus today, it talks about men who spread their seed of compulation, and that it makes them unclean. It doesn't say anything about sin offerings made for it. I just think it means it is unhealthy to do it, and you shouldn't. And then it says to bath yourself immediately. That doesn't mean it is immediately sinful though - or God would ask for a sin offering if you did that. God knows you have needs, and if you're not married, I can't see him saying - NO! That's a sin, without saying so in his word.[/quote] The passage in Leviticus is about unintentional ejaculation, not masturbation. Masturbation is always gravely wrong because it is intentional stimulation of the genitalia (and thus an abuse of the genitalia, since it misuses them) for the intended purpose of orgasm (and thus morally no different from the sin of Onan, who wished to have an orgasm, but not to have children). God bless, Micah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTruth Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' post='1222890' date='Mar 30 2007, 04:37 AM']These legal uncleannesses were instituted in order to give the people a horror of carnal impurities...[/quote] Wow, the Catholic Bible is a whole lot more harsh than the KJV and the JPS. No wonder there is a huge debate about this. No, I don't believe Masturbation is sinful. What else are you going to do if you're not married? Those who make themselves feel guilty for doing this will eventually turn nuts if they don't do it. Not to gross people out, but when I'm in the shower. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTruth Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1224232' date='Mar 31 2007, 04:15 PM']The passage in Leviticus is about unintentional ejaculation, not masturbation. Masturbation is always gravely wrong because it is intentional stimulation of the genitalia (and thus an abuse of the genitalia, since it misuses them) for the intended purpose of orgasm (and thus morally no different from the sin of Onan, who wished to have an orgasm, but not to have children). God bless, Micah[/quote] Read the Catholic Bible's quotes above. They seem to think even that is a sin, if that was God's intention to talk about that. I'm only going with the Bible's Authority. Wash your body, wash your clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='Socrates' post='1006533' date='Jun 15 2006, 10:23 PM']The "masturbation" threads tend to go on long beyond they have served any useful purpose, and tend to attract a lot of tasteless and frivolous posts.[/quote] [quote name='FullTruth' post='1224243' date='Mar 31 2007, 04:24 PM']Not to gross people out, but when I'm in the shower. . .[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1224243' date='Mar 31 2007, 03:24 PM']No, I don't believe Masturbation is sinful. What else are you going to do if you're not married? Those who make themselves feel guilty for doing this will eventually turn nuts if they don't do it.[/quote] All one can do is wait until they can properly express their sexuality within marriage. Masturbation can be addictive. It may seem like you will never be able to totally free yourself of it, but it is possible. The idea that it is so "normal" for us that we could never cut it out of our lives without going crazy is not the case. Once the habit is broken, you really will not miss it. If you resist even for a long period and then do it again, it makes it harder to resist again for a while. Make a determined clean break and never look back. Masturbation can be sort of a "gateway" into other perversions to satisfy what becomes an increasingly out of control desire for pleasure. I hate to make this sound like a drug addiction, but I think they are comparable. This is some advice from my experiences. Writing about this on a public forum makes me uncomfortable and I hope it is not a scandal to anyone. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTruth Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 The first part of Leviticus 15 is about being SICK - not masturbation. [quote name='Leviticus 15:1-15' date=' JPS']And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean. And this shall be his uncleanness in his issue: whether his flesh run with his issue, or his flesh be stopped from his issue, it is his uncleanness. Every bed, whereon he lieth that hath the issue, is unclean: and every thing, whereon he sitteth, shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth his bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And he that sitteth on any thing whereon he sat that hath the issue shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And he that toucheth the flesh of him that hath the issue shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean; then he shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And what saddle soever he rideth upon that hath the issue shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth any thing that was under him shall be unclean until the even: and he that beareth any of those things shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And whomsoever he toucheth that hath the issue, and hath not rinsed his hands in water, he shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And the vessel of earth, that he toucheth which hath the issue, shall be broken: and every vessel of wood shall be rinsed in water. And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean. And on the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and give them unto the priest: And the priest shall offer them, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD for his issue.[/quote] Sounds like sickness to me, not masturbation. I would wash my sheets too, if I was just sick. It could be just about anything - including mono, and many other things. Honestly, it sounds like healthy living to me. If someone spits on you, wash yourself - especially if they have a cold or the flu, or something else like that. The seed of copulation is only after, and is part of healthy living too. This is not a chapter of condemnation, but of healthy living, and how to take care of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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