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[Lil Red]

Found on: Traditional Catholic Apologetics

Just wondered what your thoughts are?

On Sin

Christ: "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication . . . murder . . . and suchlike. And concerning these I warn you, they who do such things will not attain the Kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21)

Luther: "Sin boldly but believe more boldly. Let your faith be greater than your sin . . . Sin will not destroy us in the reign of the Lamb, although we were to commit fornication a thousand times in one day." (Letter to Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, Audin p. 178)

Christ: "And do not be drunk with wine, for in that is debauchery." (Ephesians 5:18) "Keep thyself chaste." (I Timothy 5:22)

Luther: "Why do I sit soaked in wine? . . . To be continent and chaste is not in me." (Luther's Diary)

On Good Works

Christ: "What will it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but does not have works?" "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without good works is dead also." (James 2:14,26)

Luther: "He that says the Gospel requires works for salvation, I say, flat and plain, is a liar." (Table Talk, Weimer Edition, III, p. 137)

On Truth

Christ: "Do not be liars against the truth. This is not the wisdom that descends from above. It is earthly, sensual, devilish." (James 3:14-15) "Do not lie to one another" (Col. 3:9) "The Lord hateth a lying tongue . . . a deceitful witness that uttereth lies . . . " (Proverbs 6:16-17) "A thief is worse than a liar, but both of them shall inherit destruction." (Ecclesiasticus 20:27)

Luther: To lie in case of necessity, or for convenience, or in excuse, would not offend God, who is ready to take such lies on Himself." (Eisenrach Conference, July 17, 1540)

On Marriage

Christ: "Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if the wife shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." (Mark 10:11-12)

Luther: "As to divorce, it is still a moot question whether it is allowable. For my part, I prefer bigamy." (De Wette, Vol. 2, p. 459)

On Free Will

Christ: "Woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! it were better for that man if be had not been born." (Matthew 26:24) "Let no man say when he is tempted that he is tempted by God; for God is no tempter to evil." (James 1:13)

Luther: "Judas' will was the work of God; God by His almighty power moved his will as He does all that is in this world." (De Servo Arbitro -- Against man's free will) Accosted on all sides by charges of heresy, even by many of his former associates in the Protestant movement, Luther found refuge in this, the strangest of all his beliefs. No man is accountable for his actions, Luther taught, no matter how evil. Not even Judas!

Such are the teachings of the so-called "reformer" of Christ's Church! If Luther was a man divinely inspired or called in an extraordinary manner, why did God permit him to fall into so many absurdities in points of doctrine? It is not suprising, then, that in his History of Heresies, Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori said of Luther, "That pig is howling in hell."

The presentation of Luther as a saint, instead of a sinner, at the expense of truth, by misrepresenting Catholic teachings and practices, is a moral offense, of which the initiators and producers Protestant history are guilty.

[CatholicAndFanatical]

*stands and applaudes*

WOOHOOO!!! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Very well put Lil Red.

He has issues for sure..in his own words he admitted to playing with his poo..

but of course this only happened when he was throwing it at Satan.

can you guess who's getting poo thrown at them now.. :lol:

[Lil Red]

can you guess who's getting poo thrown at them now..

you funny CaF!

[MC Just]

Thanks for Posting this. Luther was a Hypocrite, I dont understand how anyone even decided to follow him and his ways.

[MC Just]

To me Luther is "The man of Sin" He is the tempter, he is the one who by his hypocritical teachings have mislead millions. Seriously what he taught is horribly misleading.

Edited November 7, 2003 by MC Just

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Most of his support was political, given by princes hoping to escape the Pope's influence. I believe many of his doctrines are not followed today by Lutherans.

[KennC]

I dont understand how anyone even decided to follow him and his ways.

The most common marketing strategy when trying to launch a new product, ... cut down the leader, sell easy to use, sell convenience, in other words give the consumer what he wants, and it's still going on.

Ken

[Uncle Gus]

It would have been better for Luther to have tied a millstone around his neck and jumped in a lake.

He is leading many of God's little ones astray.

[Undercover]

I really don't think it's fair comparing Luther to Christ, and I really don't think it's wise to mock him so. I'm not a big fan of Luther either, but to take all the stuff he says out of context like that, and some of it may have been jokingly or whatever, and contrast it to what Christ said.. I mean if someone did that to me, .. well I'm ashamed just thinking about it.

Of course what he did said above wasn't right, but why judge him so? Why mock him?

[foundsheep]

Why not? Hes made a mockery of everything by leading away from Jesus church with blasphemous writings.

[Uncle Gus]

He still has dignity.

[Katholikos]

Here's the full text of Luther's own words on sin. This was the foundation of the pernicious doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved." Calvin said that the "elect" (predestined) -- no matter what they did -- were destined for heaven. He called Luther's doctrine "Preservation of the Saints." (It's the "P" in TULIP, aka 5-Point Calvinism.)

QUOTE

13. If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but

the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the

true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only

imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let

your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the

victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we

are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We,

however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new

heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that

through God's glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the

sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to

kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think

such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager

sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner.

On the day of the Feast of St. Peter the Apostle, 1521

Letter to Melanchthon

Luther convicts himself, by his own words.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/w...nberg-home.html

(this is a Lutheran website)

emphasis added

[Undercover]

well, apart from the "let your sins be strong" part, I would agree with that. I'm don't think he meant "sin a lot" or "do really big sins" when he said that.

"No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. "

I believe that's true, however you probably aren't repenting if you did it every day. I think what he's meaning with this is that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for our sins, so stop pretending to be holy on your own.

[Katholikos]

well, apart from the "let your sins be strong" part, I would agree with that.  I'm don't think he meant "sin a lot" or "do really big sins" when he said that. 

"No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. "

I believe that's true, however you probably aren't repenting if you did it every day.  I think what he's meaning with this is that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for our sins, so stop pretending to be holy on your own.

Hmmmm. Luther didn't really mean what he said, folks. We can't believe what Luther himself wrote, with his very own hand, in his very own words. No siree!Luther needs a clairvoyant, someone who can communicate with him telepathically and tell us what the words he wrote himself REALLY mean.

No offense intended, undercover, but do you see how illogical and absurd this is?

Luther speaks for himself. He meant what he wrote and wrote what he meant.

Peace be with you and with all.

Likos

[Undercover]

I just find it hard to believe that Luther would be quoting 2Pet 3:13 and not be also considering 3:14... which is why I figured he was implying the second part.

I don't know about Luther's teaching that much, but I think Romans 5,6,7 cover this topic pretty well.

My point was that I think you're treating Luther (and Lutherans indirectly) unfairly. Try showing love to your enemies (I hope they're not enemies) and correcting if necessary but not mocking, it doesn't help anything except to make you feel better about yourself by putting others down.