M.SIGGA Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I know that Anglicans do not have valid holy orders in the eyes of the Catholic Church, but this holy order of Anglicans are doing some stuff that looks pretty familiar to my Catholic eyes. Since they are Protestants, are Anglicans such as these just kidding themselves when they preach and believe they have the Blessed Sacrament? They even have adoration chapels, Corpus Christi processions, and a rebuilt shrine to Our Lady of Walsingham. Henry VIII and Elizabeth I must be turning in their graves Confraternity of The Blessed Sacrament (CBS) http://www.confraternity.org.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I'm afraid they are inDouche kidding themselves. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I thought there was a Catholic and an Anglican shrine to Our Lady of Walsingham. I remember being taken there as a child. There has always been an 'anglo catholic' section of the Anglican church which really does align itself in it's mind to the catholic church and this is the group which has, for as long as I can remember (and that's a good few years! ), talked about the two churches joining together again. There appears to be many similarities on the surface in the form of the mass. I remember one of my lecturers at university who was a Catholic nun saying if she wanted a pre Vatican II service she would go to a high anglican church - at that time we were still chanting much of the mass, using incense, saying the Hail Mary..... The main problem for anglicans is the authority of the pope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INRIWarrior3 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 (edited) Yes, Ellenita is right. The Anglicans that are called "High Church" are very close to Catholicism and therefore do believe in the Blessed Sacrament. The main problem for anglicans is the authority of the pope! Haha, I guess their still angry at the papacy for not allowing Henry VIII to divorce Eleanor of Aquataine and marry Anne Bolin (if that's how you spell it). Edited November 7, 2003 by INRIWarrior3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Haha, I guess their still angry at the papacy for not allowing Henry VIII to divorce Eleanor of Aquataine and marry Anne Bolin (if that's how you spell it). No, Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon, not Eleanor of Aquitaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INRIWarrior3 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Thaks for the correction there Dave. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Ah, Eleanor of Aquitaine, a real English Queen!!! Mother of Richard the Lionhearted! Now, we're talking the England that I have dreams about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 my dad is lutheran and he tells me that they believe that their 'comunion' is both bread and the body of christ, not just the body of christ... but i dunno if they honor it special or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Gus Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 The Eucharist is no longer bread and wine, it is the Body and Blood of Christ. As for Anglicans believing in the Eucharist, yes, many do, however the "Eucharist" that the Anglicans celebrate is not true Eucharist. The reason being that they do not have a valid Episcopate (college of Bishops). In order to have valid Eucharist (which is an expression of communion, hence the name "Holy Communion.") you must have a valid Episcopate, you must be in communion with the Bishop of Rome. After all, you can't express a communion that you don't have, right? As for other churches (those with valid Episcopates) the Catholic church recognises only the Orthodox churches as having valid Episcopates, and therefore, valid Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdewolf2 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 There are some Anglo-Catholics, however, who after Apostolicae Curae had bishops consecrated from Old Catholic bishops (19th ce dissenters who rejected Vatican I) and therefore would presumably have valid (but illicit) orders since the Church never said the consecrations of the Old Catholic bishops were invalid (only illicit). It's a mess, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Gus Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Being ordained by a valid Bishop is not sufficient. Firstly, that validly ordained Bishop must be in full communion with the Church, and so must the Bishop being ordained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Being ordained by a valid Bishop is not sufficient. Firstly, that validly ordained Bishop must be in full communion with the Church, and so must the Bishop being ordained. An illustration of Gus's point is the Charismatic Episcopal Church. Their "bishops" have gone to a lot of trouble to get themselves ordained and consecrated by "validly" ordained bishops -- both "Orthodox" and "Catholic." But they can't confect the Eucharist or administer the sacraments, though they claim validity and go through the motions. But its just a copy-cat "rehearsal" and not the real thing. http://www.iccec.org/index1.html JMJ Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Wowser! They're less than ten years old!!! But they've got a Catholic "look" about them... Of course, looks are deceiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5 Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 As for other churches (those with valid Episcopates) the Catholic church recognises only the Orthodox churches as having valid Episcopates, and therefore, valid Eucharist. I think Catholicism recognizes the validity of the Orthodox churches because of the lack of Catholic presence in those nations, but if the Catholic Church increased its presence in the Eastern European nations, would she have the authority to revoke the validity of the Orthodox orders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 WE recognize their orders as valid becuase they are valid, not becuaes of a lack of Catholic population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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