Baptism In The Spirit...

[hyperdulia again]

can someone explain to me why, if the phrase 'baptised in the spirit" was used by the third person of the trinity when he wrote the new testament, why exactly is the phrase in and of itsself problematic?

if someone because of their own lack of understanding thinks it refers to a second sacramental baptism necessary for salvation then we should make it clear to them that that is not what the phrase refers to.

Edited November 12, 2003 by hyperdulia again

[IcePrincessKRS]

The Bible states, as others have pointed out, Eph. 4:5 "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." You've asked for written proof of only one Baptism, and there it is.

I've read things written by the Pope where he refers to the Charisms of the Holy Spirit, but never ONCE does he call the outpourings of these gifts Baptism.

I have also read how the phrase was coined, and Likos is right.

A couple things you have stated Jake, are rather borderline, like where you question "Are Baptism and Confirmation enough?" to Donna's post. From my research that is one of the big mistakes made by some members of the Charismatic movement--that is to claim that your faith isn't strong enough, or complete without the Charismatic gifts. Note, I'm not accusing you of this, Jake, but a couple of the things you have said sound this way, even though I'm sure you didn't mean it like that. Rev. William Most says that not all of us are called to the Charismatic movement, just like some aren't called to be fully immersed in the Marian movement, etc.

St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that the Baptism which St. John the Baptist administered was a figure of the Sacramental Baptism to come.

I've honestly been searching the good Catholic sources I rely on most for articles etc., for info on Baptism in the Holy Spirit and have not found a single article with the phrase. I've found plenty that refer to the Charisms of the Holy Spirit (yes, I know they are the same thing) and the outpouring of these gifts. This leads me to believe that the Church officials prefer the use of the term Outpouring of the Charisms of the Holy Spirit to "Baptism."

While I truly believe that the ourpourings of the Charisms of the Holy Spirit are a wonderful thing, (really what an incredible gift!) I cannot agree with the use of the term "Baptism" to describe it.

Sooo, since I'm sure I won't convince you to stop using the term and I know you won't convince me that its right, I'm done with this thread. :)