Fatima

[Donna]

A sterile, masonic looking building.

[PedroX]

Although, at second glance, I suppose its not much worse than the new temple of modernism that L.A. is using for their Cathedral.

peace...

[hyperdulia again]

we should do an act of reparation to the sacred heart and the immaculata.

[M.SIGGA]

Although, at second glance, I suppose its not much worse than the new temple of modernism that L.A. is using for their Cathedral. 

peace...

This was on an earlier thread, but I must comment again that the L.A. Temple/Cathedral is the ugliest building in the USA and is a $189 mil. Cardinal Mahoney could have paid the school tuition for a lot of kids who can't afford Catholic schools if he instead paid $5mil. to earthquake proof the 121 yr. old St. Vibiana's Cathedral.

This is off topic and I appologize but I could not resist...

Edited November 12, 2003 by M.SIGGA

[ironmonk]

I think this could be caused by some of the freemasons that have entered into the Church.

Today's reading really struck home in regards to this topic.

2nd book of Maccabees 1,10-15.41-43.54-57.62-63.

There sprang from these a sinful offshoot, Antiochus Epiphanes, son of King Antiochus, once a hostage at Rome. He became king in the year one hundred and thirty-seven of the kingdom of the Greeks. In those days there appeared in Israel men who were breakers of the law, and they seduced many people, saying: "Let us go and make an alliance with the Gentiles all around us; since we separated from them, many evils have come upon us." The proposal was agreeable; some from among the people promptly went to the king, and he authorized them to introduce the way of living of the Gentiles. Thereupon they built a gymnasium in Jerusalem according to the Gentile custom. They covered over the mark of their circumcision and abandoned the holy covenant; they allied themselves with the Gentiles and sold themselves to wrongdoing. Then the king wrote to his whole kingdom that all should be one people, each abandoning his particular customs. All the Gentiles conformed to the command of the king, and many Israelites were in favor of his religion; they sacrificed to idols and profaned the sabbath. On the fifteenth day of the month Chislev, in the year one hundred and forty-five, the king erected the horrible abomination upon the altar of holocausts, and in the surrounding cities of Judah they built pagan altars. They also burnt incense at the doors of houses and in the streets. Any scrolls of the law which they found they tore up and burnt. Whoever was found with a scroll of the covenant, and whoever observed the law, was condemned to death by royal decree. But many in Israel were determined and resolved in their hearts not to eat anything unclean; they preferred to die rather than to be defiled with unclean food or to profane the holy covenant; and they did die. Terrible affliction was upon Israel.

God Bless, Your Servant in Christ,

ironmonk

[Donna]

Regarding the veracity of the Portugal News initial story:

The Portugal News

MAIN - 15/11/2003

The Portugal News reports the facts on Fátima congress

Sometimes the truth does sound stranger than fiction, but The Portugal News believes that regardless it must be reported all the same. As an example our coverage of the Vatican - United Nations inspired October Fátima congress, “The Future of God”, appears to have resonated with many of our readers, not least of all with American Catholics who regularly visit our website.

Many of them have expressed their incredulity at the news that the custodians of one of Catholicism’s most revered shrines are committed to turning it into a multi-faith centre where Buddhism, Islam, Christianity and Pagan religions can rest at ease with each other.

In some cases this incredulity has led to readers questioning the reality of our Fátima report. We can assure them that the report is factual and reflects the main thrust of the congress - the coming together of the world’s religions under one umbrella. Another question we have been asked is why is it that news of the congress has not appeared on the world’s TV screens or been covered by the international press agencies - even though they were present in large numbers at the congress. Put simply, we just don’t know. But what we do know is that not for the first time The Portugal News has given prominence to what it believes is an event of great importance, which along with others in the past the world’s

Edited November 17, 2003 by Donna

[Donna]

And this:

(only exceprts included)

Fatima to Become Interfaith Shrine?

An Account From One Who Was There

by John Vennari

From October 10-12, 2003, a pan-religious conference was held at Fatima entitled "The Present of Man – the Future of God: The Place of Sanctuaries in the Relation to the Sacred". It was held at the Paul VI Pastoral Center adjacent to the Fatima Shrine in Portugal. I traveled to Fatima to cover the Congress and attended the three-day event. It contained some of the most explicit heresy I have ever encountered.

It described itself as a "Scientific" Congress, which is not the word we would use for it in North America. Here, we would label it an "Academic" Congress. In any case, the Congress comprised modern theologians and clergymen discussing the importance of religious sanctuaries – any sanctuary, be it Catholic, Buddhist or Hindu.

The first two days contained numerous speeches from Catholics only, including the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, D. Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva; the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon, Jose da Cruz Policarpo; the notorious "interfaith theologian", Father Jacques Dupuis; and various other Ph.D.’s from Portugal.

On Sunday, in sessions presided over by Archbishop Michael J. Fitzgerald, Prefect of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, representatives from the world religions — including Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Orthodox, Anglican and Catholic — gave testimony to the importance of "sanctuary" in their religious traditions.

Later, the Portuguese press published that the aim of this Congress was to establish Fatima as an interfaith Shrine.

The Ecumenical Congress

The theme of "Sanctuary" for this Congress reflects the lowest-common-denominator ecumenism prevalent for the past forty years. It is an approach that plays down doctrinal differences in the various religions and emphasizes "what we have in common".

What do all religions have in common? They all believe in some sort of "God", so we can organize an ecumenical symposium and talk about the various aspects of "God". All religions believe in prayer, so we can have a pan-religious get-together where we can all "share" about prayer. All religions have sanctuaries, so we can hold an interfaith Congress where we talk about the importance of Sanctuaries in the various religious traditions. Thus, "Sanctuary", within the pan-religious perspective, was the focus of the latest Congress at Fatima.

Anathema at these Congresses is any recognition of the fact that the Catholic Church is the one true religion established and willed by God, and that all other religions are false, man-made systems whose adherents believe in false gods. As such, these religions constitute an objective mortal sin against the First Commandment: "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me." The false gods of Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam are "strange gods" that the First Commandment forbids all of mankind to worship.

This applies also to Protestantism, since Protestants believe in a Christ who never existed. They believe in a Christ who did not establish a Church to teach, govern and sanctify all men. They believe in a Christ who did not establish a Papacy. They believe in a Christ who does not want us to honor His Holy Mother Mary. (And we know from the Fatima Message that God wants to establish in the world devotion to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart). They believe in a Christ who did not establish seven Sacraments as the primary means of grace for salvation. They believe in a Christ who did not establish the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. In short, Protestants worship a false Christ, that is, a false God. This is why Blessed Pope Pius IX taught in his 1864 Syllabus that it is an error to believe that "Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion."[1]

Thus, in the objective order, it is impossible for any non-Catholic, no matter how well-meaning, to obey the First Commandment.[2] We can thus understand why the Council of Trent spoke infallibly that without the Catholic Faith, "it is impossible to please God".

This traditional, true Catholic doctrine is discarded at these interfaith events, and in ecumenical practice in general. Conversely, the new ecumenical theology says that members of all religions are part of the "Reign of God", and are "equal partners in dialogue". The Catholic religion may possess the "fullness of truth", but all other religions are part of God’s plan as well. This, particularly, is the thesis of the modernist theologian Father Jacques Dupuis, who spoke at the Congress on Saturday afternoon.

Friday’s Sessions

At first, I was skeptical of whether I could give a fair assessment of the Congress. The speeches were delivered in Portuguese, a language I do not speak. The Congress provided simultaneous translation into English, but the English translators were not very good. One man doing translations was practically worthless. I could tell I was getting from him one-sentence summaries of entire paragraphs from the speakers’ texts, and not very intelligible sentences at that. Luckily, two of the most important talks were delivered in English.

From what I could gather from the Portuguese speakers, they talked about "Sanctuary" in general terms in trendy New-Church language: "Sanctuary is an altar of purification and promise", a "place of refuge in the face of temptation to pleasure and power". "Sanctuary" is part of the "mystery" in the "search for holiness, incarnation and transcendence". Keep in mind, the speakers refer here to the religious sanctuaries of all religions, whether they be Shrines of Our Lady or pagan temples.

One would think that a Fatima Congress on Sanctuary would contain at least one lecture on the Fatima Sanctuary. Nothing. Fatima was only brought up incidentally, and every great once in a while. The Fatima Message, or even the history of how the Fatima Shrine came to be, received no spotlight. The Rosary, the Immaculate Heart, the vision of hell, the Five First Saturdays, Reparation for Sin, all constitutive elements of the Fatima Message, received no mention at all.

On Friday, we received lectures that dealt with the "Pastoral/Scientific Nature of Sanctuary". We were told, "What happens in the Shrine is an expression of the people of God in motion." One professor quoted glowingly the modernist Father Edward Schillebeeckx’s bizarre statement: "the history of salvation is not necessarily the history of revelation". Another speaker spoke of Fatima, Mecca and Kyoto in the same breath, thus placing the true Church of Christ on the same level with false creeds; and placing the true revelations of Our Lady of Fatima – an event verified by the Miracle of the Sun before 70,000 people – on the same level with the fables and superstitions of false religions. This is a mockery of the true God and a blasphemy against Our Lady of Fatima.[3]

Father Dupuis

As mentioned, two of the most important presentations were delivered in English: the ecumenical Father Jacques Dupuis on Saturday, and a brief address by Archbishop Michael J. Fitzgerald on Sunday. These I understood perfectly, and was horrified by what was said.

As some readers may be aware, I have covered a number of these post-Conciliar conferences including New Evangelization Seminars, Rock’n’Roll World Youth Days, screaming Charismatic meetings, and evenings of Jewish-Catholic dialogue.[4] Yet the most explicit heresy I have ever heard at any of these events came from the mouth of the Belgian Jesuit Father Jacques Dupuis, only a few hundred yards from where Our Lady of Fatima appeared.

Father Jacques Dupuis is a progressivist, ecumenical theologian who entered the Jesuits in 1941. At this Congress, he propounded his thesis that all religions are positively willed by God. He told us that we should not refer to the other religions as "non-Christian", since this is a negative term that describes them "by what we think they are not". Rather, he said, we should refer to them as "the others".

He trashes the truth that there is only one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation, despite the fact that this teaching was infallibly defined three times. The most forceful and explicit definition of "outside the Church there is no salvation" was pronounced de fide from the Council of Florence:

"The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels,’ (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."[5]

As Catholics know, whenever the true Church established by Christ — the Catholic Church — teaches a solemn, de fide declaration, it is stating infallibly that the doctrine defined is a truth revealed by God "Who can neither deceive nor be deceived." A Catholic must believe all of these defined truths for salvation. To deny an infallible dogma of the Church is to call God a liar, telling Him that what He revealed to us is not true.[6]

Saint Louis de Montfort, faithful to this revealed truth, teaches, "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Anyone who resists this Truth perishes."[7] Likewise, Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church, reaffirms, "The Holy, Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is the only true Church, outside the pale of which no one can be saved."[8]

Yet Father Dupuis, at the recent Fatima Congress, openly showered contempt on this defined truth and on the teaching of the Saints and Doctors of the Church. On the point of "outside the Church there is no salvation", Father Dupuis said in disgust, "There is no need to invoke here that horrible text from the Council of Florence in 1442". I heard this with my own ears and I recorded it on tape.

This is the most explicit heresy I have ever encountered at one of these post-Conciliar conferences. Usually the speakers dance around the dogma they deny, but not Father Dupuis. No, he says openly that a defined Catholic doctrine is a "horrible text" that must be rejected.

Now, how did those at the conference react to Father Dupuis’ audacity? With grand applause at the end of his speech.

Most disturbing is the fact that the room contained the "top-brass" of the Portuguese hierarchy, all thrilled with Dupuis’ apostasy.

Seated directly to my left was the Fatima Shrine Rector Monsignor Luciano Guerra, who applauded Father Dupuis’ speech. (I captured this on film, see photo). Seated directly to my right was the Apostolic Delegate of Portugal, that is, the papal representative for Portugal, who also applauded Dupuis. Joining in the applause was the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, D. Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva, who still refuses to allow an "Indult" Tridentine Mass in his diocese.

During the applause, I could not see the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon from my seat. But it is certain that he agrees with Dupuis’ ecumenical thesis. Later the same day, a small group of young traditional Catholics questioned the Cardinal about the new interreligious orientation. A youth quoted to the Cardinal a passage from the book of Sister Lucy, Calls from the Message of Fatima, where she faithfully explained the First Commandment. The Cardinal responded, "Sister Lucy is no longer a point of reference today since we have such a good one in the Second Vatican Council".[9] In other words, the Cardinal says that Vatican II’s new ecumenical teaching eclipses the traditional Catholic teaching on the First Commandment, which forbids the worship of false Gods, as reflected in the writings of Sister Lucy.

For years, concerned Catholics have said that the reason Fatima is now downplayed and eclipsed is because the new ecumenical religion of Vatican II has replaced it.[10] I am grateful that the Cardinal abandoned all pretense and admitted this disgrace outright. It explains why the present ecumenical hierarchy falsely consider Fatima to be of little importance.

At the Congress, Father Dupuis also said that the purpose of dialogue is not to convert the non-Catholic but rather to help "the Christian to become a better Christian, and the Hindu a better Hindu".

Father Dupuis further lectured that "Christians and ‘the others’ are co-members of the Reign of God in history". He also said that "the Holy Spirit is present and operative in the sacred books of Hinduism or of Buddhism. That He is present and operative in the sacred rites of Hinduism". Thus, according to Dupuis, the Holy Ghost is active and present in the "sacred rites" and "sacred books" of false religions. No wonder a prominent ecumenical Catholic kissed the Koran.

A more detailed exposition of Father Dupuis’ apostate lecture will appear in a future installment. For now, I want to re-emphasize that the Congress delegates — including the Cardinal of Lisbon, the Bishop of Fatima, and the Rector of the Fatima Shrine — applauded Dupuis as magnificent. Worse still, the next day, Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, told the Congress "Father Dupuis yesterday explained the theological basis of the establishment of relations with people of other religions." In other words, Archbishop Fitzgerald praised Father Dupuis’ heresies.

Archbishop Fitzgerald said further that he agreed with Father Dupuis that "the unity with God is not confined to the people who belong to the Church". The Church, according to this new union, should not proselytize. Nor is the purpose of dialogue to "convert" the "other" to Catholicism. This is pointless, since members of all religions, according to Dupuis, are already part of the "Reign of God". Rather, "the Church" says Fitzgerald, "is there to recognize the holiness that is in other people, the elements of truth, grace and beauty that are in different religions," and "to try to bring about a greater peace and harmony among people of other religions". Perhaps this Congress should have been called, "Fatima Meets the Age of Aquarius".

Catholic Truth vs. the New Religion

Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the Catholic Faith knows that the interfaith religion promoted at this Fatima Conference is contrary to Catholic teaching and is a blasphemy before God. As mentioned, the Council of Trent defined infallibly that without the Catholic Faith, "it is impossible to please God."[11] The Catholic Church also defined three times ex cathedra that there is only one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.[12] And as Vatican I teaches, not even a Pope can change defined dogma, otherwise dogmatic truths were never true.[13]

Blessed Pope Pius IX reiterated the truth "outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation" while combating the growing "Liberal Catholicism" of his day. He said:

"We must mention and condemn again that most pernicious error which has been imbibed by certain Catholics who are of the opinion that those people who live in error and have not the true faith and are separated from Catholic unity, may obtain life everlasting. Now this opinion is most contrary to the Catholic faith, as is evident from the plain words of Our Lord, (Matt 18:17; Mark 16:16; Luke 10:16; John 3:18) as also from the words of Saint Paul (2 Tit. 3:11) and of Saint Peter (2 Peter 2:1). To entertain opinions contrary to this Catholic faith is to be an impious wretch."[14]

Pope Leo XIII, elaborating the same doctrine, taught, "since no one is allowed to be remiss in the service due to God ... we are bound absolutely to worship God in that way which He has shown to be His will ... It cannot be difficult to find out which is the true religion if it only be sought with an earnest and unbiased mind; for proofs are abundant and striking . . . From all these [proofs] it is evident that the only true religion is the one established by Jesus Christ Himself, and which He committed to His Church to protect and propagate."[15]

Likewise, Pope Pius XII restated this doctrine within the context of a prayer to the Blessed Virgin:

"O Mary, Mother of Mercy and Seat of Wisdom! Enlighten the minds enfolded in the darkness of ignorance and sin, that they may clearly recognize the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, Roman Church to be the only true Church of Jesus Christ, outside which neither sanctity nor salvation can be found."[16]

From these sources, and from countless other magisterial teachings, it is clear that the only religion positively willed by God, the only religion in which "sanctity and salvation can be found" is the Holy Catholic Church established by Christ.

Sacred Scripture likewise teaches infallibly that false religions are not pleasing to God, and the greatest charity we can show "the others" is to work and pray for their conversion to the one true Church of Christ. Our Lord commanded His disciples, "Go forth and teach", not "Go forth and dialogue". He said, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt: 28:19). "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who does not believe shall be condemned.(Mark 15:16).

The "belief" that Our Lord spoke of does not mean a vague belief in any religion, but express belief in Him and all that He taught. This is why Saint John, the Apostle of Love, said, "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 1:22) Thus, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, any religion that rejects Christ, according to Scripture, is an Antichrist religion. Regarding heretical religions, for example, "Orthodoxy" and Protestantism, Saint Paul tells us that false creeds are the "doctrines of devils" (1 Tim. 4:1).

Contrary to Father Dupuis’ notions, Antichrist religions and false creeds of heretics which are "doctrines of devils," cannot possibly be willed by God. Nor can their members be considered as being part of the "Reign of God".

Thus, there can not be a new "ecumenical unity" which seeks to unite Catholics with members of false religions in a heretical notion of the "Reign of God". Pope Pius XI rightly taught in his 1928 encyclical against ecumenism, Mortaliam Animos: "Unity can only arise from one teaching authority, one law of belief, one faith of Christians." Likewise, Pope Pius XII taught in his 1949 Instruction on the Ecumenical Movement that "True reunion can only come about by the return of dissidents to the one true Church of Christ (the Catholic Church)."[17]

But for now, the interfaith heresy rules the hour, and is poised to claim the Shrine at Fatima as its next victim.

Fatima: An Interfaith Shrine?

At the time, I saw no reports of this "Future of God" Congress in the secular and religious press. Two weeks later, however, the November 1 on-line edition of the Lisbon-based Portugal News published in English an article entitled "Fatima to Become an Interfaith Shrine". The article said, "Delegates attending the Vatican and United Nations inspired annual interfaith congress ‘The Future of God’, held during October in Fatima, heard how the Shrine is to be developed into a center where all the religions of the world will gather to pay homage to their various gods."

The report quoted the Shrine’s rector, Monsignor Guerra, saying at the Congress that Fatima "will change for the better". Portugal News further quoted Msgr. Guerra: "The future of Fatima, or the adoration of God and His mother at this holy Shrine, must pass through the creation of a shrine where different religions can mingle. The interreligious dialogue in Portugal, and in the Catholic Church, is still in an embryonic phase, but the Shrine of Fatima is not indifferent to this fact and is already open to being a universalistic place of vocation."

"Monsignor Guerra" said Portugal News, "pointed out that the very fact that Fatima is the name of a Muslim and Mohammed's daughter, is indicative that the Shrine must be open to the co-existence of various faiths and beliefs. According to the Monsignor: ‘Therefore we must assume that it was the will of the Blessed Virgin Mary that this comes about this way.’ Traditional Catholics opposed to the Congress were described by the Monsignor as ‘old fashioned, narrow minded, fanatic extremists and provocateurs’."[18]

Now, I quote Portugal News on this point because I did not hear Monsignor Guerra make these statements at the Congress. But then again, I might have missed it. Monsignor Guerra spoke in Portuguese, and as I’ve already noted, the simultaneous translation into English was poorly done. Nonetheless, the idea of Fatima becoming an "interfaith" Shrine is consistent with everything I heard throughout that weekend, especially on Sunday when the members of various religions gave their testimony of the importance of "Sanctuaries" in their religious traditions.

Representatives for this Sunday session included Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Hindu, Muslim, as well as a Buddhist who invited us to visit the Zenkoji Buddhist Shrine in Japan, and even supplied each of us with a colorful pamphlet of Zenkoji.

But the testimony of the Catholic proved the most troublesome, and was, perhaps, a portent of what we might soon see at Fatima.

Father Arul Irudayam, Rector of the Marian Shrine Basilica in Vailankanni, India, initially spoke beautifully about the history of this Shrine where our Lady appeared. The Shrine receives millions of pilgrims a year, including many Hindus.

Father Irudayam then rejoiced that, as a further development of interreligious practice, the Hindus now perform their religious rituals in the church.

Of course, the delegates were thrilled to hear that a Catholic church was used for pagan worship, but I was horrified. Sacred Scripture teaches clearly that "the gods of the Gentiles are devils". (Psalm 95:5). And the truth that the gods of Hinduism are devils was confirmed by one of the greatest missionaries of all time, Saint Francis Xavier.

While serving his missions, Saint Francis Xavier found particular delight in his small pupils. He was impressed that these young ones showed a great attachment to their faith, and a great zeal to learn the prayers and to teach them to others. The young pupils "also had a great abhorrence for the idolatrous practices of the pagans", in other words, for the practices of Hinduism. The pupils frequently "reproached their father and mother if they engaged in pagan ceremonies and came to tell the priest about it."

When Saint Francis Xavier heard that "outside the village someone was practicing idolatry, he gathered together all the boys, and this was something which he did later also in the other villages that he visited, and went with them to the spot where the idols had been erected. His pupils smashed the clay figures of the demons to dust and spit and stamped upon them." Saint Francis Xavier’s biographer explains that these children "thus gave more insults to the devil than their parents had shown honor to him."[19]

Even though this event would send ecumenical clergymen shrieking into the snowbanks, it is clear that Saint Francis Xavier recognized rightly that "the gods of the Gentiles are devils", that is, the "gods" of Hinduism. Now, however, these "devils" are worshiped in the Vailankanni Shrine of Our Lady in India. The Fatima Shrine Rector, as did all the Conference delegates, applauded the speech wherein the Indian priest related the practice of Hinduism in the Catholic Sanctuary.

It is fair to conclude that if Catholics do not organize and protest, it is only a matter of time before this blasphemy takes place at Fatima, especially since plans are underway for a new, modern Fatima Shrine to be built.

The Portugal News reported "The Shrine of Fatima is about to undergo a complete reconstruction with a new stadium-like basilica being erected close to the existing one built in 1921."[20] About a year ago, I saw a picture of the proposed building. It is a hideous modern monstrosity that looks like a futuristic airplane hangar.

In the face of the proposed desecration of Our Lady’s apparition site at Fatima, a worldwide protest must be mounted. Absolutely no money should be donated to the Fatima Shrine in Portugal until the present Rector is removed and the invasion of the ecumenical religion at Fatima ceases. The new Shrine, if completed, will display ugliness from the outside, reflected in the hideous modern architecture, and ugliness on the inside, not only in the futuristic interior, but also in the pagan practices that might be allowed to take place in the very area sanctified by Our Lady’s appearances; the very area where the Miracle of the Sun took place, and where countless pilgrims were cured and converted.

Chastisement

The new ecumenical religion propounded at Fatima threatens the salvation of countless souls, as it tells non-Catholics to remain in the darkness of their false religions. It also threatens to bring with it a great chastisement.

In the early 20th Century, the eminent European churchman Cardinal Mercier, citing the consistent teaching of the Popes, stated the First World War was actually a punishment for the crime of nations placing the one True Religion on the same level as false creeds (as does the ecumenical religion promoted at Fatima Congress). Cardinal Mercier said:

"In the name of the Gospel, and in the light of the Encyclicals of the last four Popes, Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X, I do not hesitate to affirm that this indifference to religions which puts on the same level the religion of divine origin and the religions invented by men in order to include them in the same scepticism is the blasphemy which calls down chastisement on society far more than the sins of individuals and families."[21]

What would Cardinal Mercier, and the Popes cited by him, say of this new attempt to bring about a "peace and harmony of religions", wherein Catholic Churchmen place the one true religion as an "equal partner" with false religions and pagan creeds? How will God react to this "blasphemy which calls down chastisement on society"? What sort of punishment will Heaven unleash when the land of Fatima, sanctified by Our Lady’s presence, and the Shrine that is consecrated to Her, is allowed by Catholic leaders to be desecrated with the worship of false gods? In the face of this, Catholics must not be complacent.

(MCJUST, think this part is for you)

Most disturbing of all, the new ecumenical religion, trumpeted at this Fatima Congress, is actually the religion of Freemasonry. The French Freemason Yves Marsaudon wrote approvingly:

"One can say that ecumenism is the legitimate son of Freemasonry ... In our times, our brother Franklin Roosevelt claimed for all of them the possibility of ‘adoring God, following their principles and their convictions.’ This is tolerance, and it is also ecumenism. We traditional Freemasons allow ourselves to paraphrase and transpose this saying of a celebrated statesman, adapting it to circumstances: Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Israelites, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, freethinkers, free-believers, to us, these are only first names; Freemasonry is the name of our family."[22]

This Freemasonic religion is now promoted in Fatima. I heard it coming from the mouth of the soft-spoken Father Jacques Dupuis. Yet Dupuis’ words were a sugar-coated masonic doctrine from the underworld. It was Pope Pius VIII who rightly said of Freemasons, "their god is the devil".[23]

Yet it should not surprise us that consecrated souls have come under the power of the devil. Sister Lucy predicted it over 40 years ago.

Lucy’s Warning

In her 1957 interview with Father Fuentes, Sister Lucy made the prophetic warning:

"Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that most offends God and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God because in this way the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them."

Sister Lucy continues,

"That which afflicts the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Heart of Jesus is the fall of religious and priestly souls. The devil knows that religious and priests who fall away from their beautiful vocation drag numerous souls to hell ... The devil wishes to take possession of consecrated souls. He tries to corrupt them in order to lull to sleep the souls of laypeople and thereby lead them to final impenitence..."[24]

Sister Lucy’s prophetic words unfold before our eyes at the pan-religious Fatima Congress. Here we see the devil "overcome souls" who are consecrated to God. We see priests, religious, bishops, who have "fallen away from their beautiful vocation" of teaching the truths of the Catholic Faith, and who "drag numerous souls to hell" by their perverse, ecumenical teaching.

In the mid 1990's, on a Mexican radio station, the Rector of the Shrine of Guadalupe denied the truth that Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared at Tepayac Hill. The people of Mexico were outraged and protested against the audacity. Within a year, the Shrine Rector was gone.[27] The same must be done at Fatima.

Catholics around the world must unite and protest the outrage that was allowed, and will continue, to be perpetuated against the Catholic Faith and the Mother of God.

We must also unite in prayers of reparation [/b]for the blasphemies spoken against the one true Catholic Church of Jesus Christ, whose Mother came to Fatima with a message for mankind, a Mother now betrayed by Churchmen in high place, and most especially, by members of the present hierarchy of Portugal.

Edited November 17, 2003 by Donna

[Donna]

(Looks like the tainted are leading in protest and reparation at this point)

Bizarre Interreligious Ceremony at Fatima in mid-October Reported by SSPX

11/6/2003 7:47:00 PM - www.dici.org

(as reported by CatholicCitizens.org)

Except for the local press, the papers barely mentioned the interreligious assembly which took place in the Marian town of Fatima from October 10 to 12. Only the Society of St. Pius X protested against this new scandal, thus recalling traditional Catholic doctrine. Below is the account made by the priests of the Society in Portugal, and, in the Documents section can be found the press communiqué and report given out on this occasion.

Account of the interreligious assembly of Fatima

The facts

From October 10 to 12 in Fatima, in the Paul VI Pastoral Center, an assembly was held entitled “Man’s Present, God’s Future - The Place of Shrines in Relation to the Sacred”.

The bishop of Leiria-Fatima opened the assembly and the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon concluded the so-called “scientific” part. On Sunday, the moderator of the day was the President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialog (Msgr. Michael Louis Fitzgerald). Then came the pastoral part. Each of the representatives of shrines of different religions gave their testimony to the assembly. The list was ample: Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism and Catholicism.

The reaction to this scandal.

Only the Society of St. Pius X organized a ceremony of reparation and information for the faithful in an open and official way. See the press communiqué.

With the help of the MJCF (Catholic Youth Movement of France) and the priory of Madrid, it was possible to gather a sizable group of motivated faithful in Fatima. Everyone distributed more than 12,000 tracts all over Fatima informing the faithful of the gravity of the blasphemy committed by the organization of this assembly.

The youth of the MJCF, who were particularly effective, were able to gain admission to several of the key talks of the assembly. After the one given by the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon (“the future of God”), the scheduled debate was curiously canceled…Our young people then took the initiative of going to question the cardinal. The answers he gave them in private revealed the contempt of this unworthy pastor for the flock who is in his care.

When a youth quoted him a passage from the book of Sister Lucy “Calls from the Message of Fatima”, where she admirably explains God’s First Commandment, the cardinal responded: “Sister Lucy is no longer a point of reference today since we have such a good one in the Second Vatican Council”.

When another young person quoted the prophet Isaias fulminating against the “mute dogs” (Isaias 56:10) and asked the Patriarch to comment, he responded: “The prophet Isaias took responsibility for it.”

In order to dodge another question, he answered them: “As for me, I prefer to use the language of men”.

And of course, he did not fail to remind them that Muslims, Jews and Catholics all have the same God.

The essential aspect of our reaction was of course prayer, daily exposition of the Blessed Sacrament and Holy Mass. We also wanted to clearly place public and personal sacrifices of reparation at the heart of these activities. In this spirit, as a group we made the “way of Lucy” on the immense esplanade of the shrine of Fatima. From the top of the hill to the chapel of the apparitions, at the pace of the more courageous ones who went on their knees and despite a heavy downpour that we hoped would be a purifying one, we were able to contemplate the fifteen mysteries of the Rosary.

At the head of the procession, the banner of Our Lady, Queen of Portugal, which also clearly displayed the name of our dear priestly Society, announced our “stripes”. We all clearly showed the great joy we had acquired in this act of public reparation and penance. On our return to the priory, shoes and clothes were drenched, but hearts and souls were radiant for having something beautiful to offer God and Our Lady.

On Sunday morning, there was no mass at the assembly, but there was a procession of religious costumes currently in fashion throughout the world. This time, we went to the doors of the Pastoral Center. We began by reciting the Rosary on our knees, and then we chanted the Kyrie eleison and the Credo. During the chants, Fr. Danjou went into the center to personally deliver the press communiqué of the Society and the five tracts that had been distributed throughout the town over the last few days.

The operation was carried out without a hitch. The sight of a priest in a cassock even seemed to frighten the three coordinators of the event. What is he up to? their bewildered looks seemed to ask. All he did was to deliver the documents in the name of the Society of St. Pius X, and rejoin the faithful in prayer. Two youth from the MJCF, still there after our priest left, had the joy of noticing what a strong impression the reading of the press communiqué had on these people. They were flabbergasted!

Once the chanting was finished, we left the “high places” [translator’s note: an Old Testament reference to the pagan shrines where the children of Israel apostatized] and their interreligious testimonies. A wide distribution of tracts concluded our three days of reparation and reaction. The indifference and ingratitude of the men of the Church astounded us, but we put our hope and trust in God.

Edited November 17, 2003 by Donna

[ironmonk]

To many freemason teachings are being taught by people within the Church.

Time for the Office of the Faith (inquisitions) to step it up a notch and stop this nonsense. Those who teach heresy need to be excommunicated or at least stripped of their power to teach.

I firmly believe that this will work itself out, but it will be some time... I have faith in what Christ said.... "never be overcome".

But I do believe that this is the greatest attack on our faith.

As luther said... "destroy the Mass, and you destroy the Church"... i.e. the mass Mass violations.

God Bless, Your Servant in Christ,

ironmonk

[cmotherofpirl]

(Looks like the tainted are leading in protest and reparation at this point)

Bizarre Interreligious Ceremony at Fatima in mid-October Reported by SSPX

11/6/2003 7:47:00 PM - www.dici.org

(as reported by CatholicCitizens.org)

Except for the local press, the papers barely mentioned the interreligious assembly which took place in the Marian town of Fatima from October 10 to 12. Only the Society of St. Pius X protested against this new scandal, thus recalling traditional Catholic doctrine. Below is the account made by the priests of the Society in Portugal, and, in the Documents section can be found the press communiqué and report given out on this occasion.

What is the legitimate source of this article?

[ironmonk]

Here's another interesting article;

http://www.fatima.org/sprep111303.htm

[Donna]

Cmom, I think the original source is below the article title...DICI, I believe.

Edited November 18, 2003 by Donna

[Donna]

Ironmonk, that link is the one I posted ("exceprts only").

Any ideas for who to contact within the Vatican?

[cmotherofpirl]

THis is from a website thast supports Father Gruner who was suspended from priestly ministry.

I really would like to see an independant article on this.

[cmotherofpirl]

THis is from a website thast supports Father Gruner who was suspended from priestly ministry.

I really would like to see an independant article on this.