Gloria olivæ

[Timothy]

I have a link to the prophesy of St. Malachy which is listed below, but can anybody confirm that our Holy Father is from the Benedictine order? If so, can you show me? Also, is the following email that I recieved true that I have listed below?(especially in regards to the conversion of the Jews)

[url="http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp"]http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp[/url]

The email I recieved:

The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. [b]Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments it also serves as an emblem for the Jews. Putting the two together, some commentators believe that the reign of this pope will be a peaceful one during which the prophesied conversion of the Jews will take place. Several ex-Jews are said to be highly placed in the Catholic Church now. [/b]

Edited April 19, 2005 by Timothy

[Paphnutius]

I do not think he is a Benedictine. If he was I am sure that some media would be spouting out things like that. It is something to think about though...

[Aloysius]

no, Ratzinger isn't a benedictine, however I did see in a couple places while looking up malachy stuff people predicting that it meant he would take the name Benedict and that he would immitate the previous benedict (xv) as a man of peace while the world plunges into war...

anyway, it is kinda eerie considering I'm pretty sure Ratzinger didn't choose benedict on purpose for the malachy thing, I don't think he buys into it (at least the Vatican in general doesn't buy into it).

I think the speculation regarding the conversion of the Jews would be if the olive reference referred to the Jews.. but if it did my guess would be that it would be a Hebrew who got elected pope and that didn't happen

Anyway, Malachy might be a forgery they say and it is somewhat nostradomic in nature in that it could probably be stretched to fit anyone, but who knows. all I know is I'll be really really freaked out if the next one is Peter II... but until then I stand back not buying into the Malachy stuff but watching from a distance the eerie coincidence of it all :ph34r:

[Timothy]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Apr 19 2005, 03:16 PM']

(at least the Vatican in general doesn't buy into it). 

:ph34r: [/quote]
Is that true? Because if so I was unaware.

Edited April 19, 2005 by Timothy

[Myles Domini]

The pseudo-prophecy of Malachy is an interesting little apple to bite into. Given the obscurity of the prophecies there is no need to assume that the Pope need neccessarily come from the Benedictine order. Our new Universalis Papae has chosen the name Benedict XVI and has hailed St Benedict of Nursia as a man who formed and brought Christian culture to the West after the fall of Rome. Given his homily before the Conclave, which focussed on challenging the secularist 'dictatorship of relativism' I'm sure that Benedict XVI sees himself as taking up the role of St Benedict of Nursia in instituting the start of a New Evangelisation of once Christian lands. Also Benedict himself did not complete the evangelisation, it was his rule that guided the monastic missionaries and those who preserved the classical texts of Antiquity in their monasteries. Given that Cardinal Ratzinger does not view the 'new springtime' as something that will happen overnight I'm quite certain that he has a sort of Benedictine project in mind: A slow but steady New Evangelisation.

Does that make him 'Gloria Olivae' I'm sure some people will think so and will then point out that after 'Gloria Olivae' there is only one more name on Malachy's list. A name which is mentioned as having the keys of Peter during a time of persecution...

Personally my sentiments are that if Jesus is coming after the next Pontificate: cool and if not equally cool. Dont loose sleep over it. Just concentrate on the sanctification of yourself and evangelising those around you with your example of holiness. Keep watch for nobody knows when the householder is coming or even if any of us will live long enough to see it even if the apocalypse is only two Popes away. Consider your own end could come tonight and make your peace with God through prayer and confession before you think about the armaggedon.

[Timothy]

I generally agree with what you have said Myles. I am just looking for some research, as I know that the topic will come up and I want to know how to answer the questions/concerns.

Is the best response, "We are unassure of the author of the list." I did some research on St. Malachy O'Moore and he seemed to be a wonderful person. Bishop, Saint, and potiential prophet! WOW what a resume. I have a link below that shows a brief bio.

[url="http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=4431"]http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=4431[/url]

[Paphnutius]

Thinking ahead. If people really do buy into this prophecy then what on earth is the next pope going to feel like? I mean really, c'mon. I would be terrified becoming the next pope if a lot of people were buying into this prophecy and considered me the anti-Christ. I do not think that the next pope would be foolish enough to take the name of anything that could be associated with Peter either. Might meant he could be Italian though...who knows.

The thing is that even if the prophecy were correct it would not change how I life right now. I mean if I knew that the next pope would be the last pope I would still try to live as the best Catholic I could regardless of the fact of the world ending.

[thessalonian]

On a thread in the debate section someone claimed that Ratzinger was ordained a priest at a benedictine monastary.

[Aloysius]

like I said, the Vatican generally doesn't buy into the Malachy stuff. they've stayed neutral and really not concerned themselves with this... which is what makes it so interesting-- the Vatican and the Malachy stuff are like two seperate entities and we sit back and compare whether the path of the Vatican follows the structure the "Malachy" stuff lays out... and sometimes it's spooky.

anyway, the next pope isn't going to be all hungup about the coming persecution of Rome wondering if he's Peter the roman... Pope Benedict XVI isn't going to sit around wondering about if the glory of the Olives is him.

many speculate that Malachy didn't write them because there is no reference to them in the biography of him written by his close friend. however, it is likely that the list was kept secret or something.

who knows

[Timothy]

Not trying to change anybody's mind here or debate the issue. I was just curious if anybody had any research on the matter, and then I noticed the thread open on the debate table. So, I guess I'll just go to that thread in regards to this matter. Sorry to everybody didn't mean to double post.

[cmotherofpirl]

No problem this is about to be a popular issue.

[reelguy227]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Apr 19 2005, 05:24 PM'] Thinking ahead. If people really do buy into this prophecy then what on earth is the next pope going to feel like? I mean really, c'mon. I would be terrified becoming the next pope if a lot of people were buying into this prophecy and considered me the anti-Christ. [/quote]
Are yu saying the anti christ is going to come out of the Church ? What ? Huh? Im confused ???

[Paphnutius]

Sorry about that. It turns out I was misinformed by an ill source what the prophecy included. No I do not think that the anti-Christ will come from the Church.