Masturbation

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]empirical evidence has shown that activities like frequent masturbaion and pornography lead to deeper psychological issues, and contribute directly to some of the most despicable human actions, like child pornography, child sexual abuse, and serious sexual crime.[/quote]

I'm reminded of the quote that neither complete excess or abstinence has ever rendered a man happy. And more than just happiness, just remember that everything can cause addiction or be abused, but that doesn't mean that everything is bad.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Apr 21 2005, 08:56 AM']
I'm reminded of the quote that neither complete excess or abstinence has ever rendered a man happy. And more than just happiness, just remember that everything can cause addiction or be abused, but that doesn't mean that everything is bad. [/quote]
Oh my gosh no!! Just as long as you're happy! Isn't it enough to be happy?!? Just as long as we are all happy!!! Everything is fine if it makes you happy!!!




*Please note the [i]dripping[/i] sarcasm.*

[Briguy]

I am so sorry for all the typos in my last post. Especially using weather instead of whether and there instead of their. I did it so fast my hands got a head of my brain. I'm not the brightest guy in the world but I can use words right and spell OK.

More on topic later

-Brian

[RemnantRules]

It's quite alright Brian...I have the same problem too Brian.

[001]

It's really just harmless fun.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='001' date='Apr 21 2005, 03:44 PM'] It's really just harmless fun. [/quote]
Hardly harmless and hardly fun.

"The human body is an excellent servant and a terrible master." -Dr. Jonathon Reyes

[infinitelord1]

i know its wrong, but man this is a hard one to give up.

[Cam42]

Now that the masturbation debate has gone on for four pages, when do we start talking about the Nazis? Because EVERY SINGLE theological discussion has masturbation and the Nazis in it at some point.

:rotfl:

[Briguy]

infinite, If you are sure M. is wrong then you should not be doing it. You need to think about why you feel it is wrong. If it causes Sin in your life, then it is wrong. If you feel it is wrong, "just because" then you should think deeply about that. I said before I just cannot see M in and of itself as wrong. M is not mentioned in the Bible. Fornication and Adultery deal with a sexual act between two people. Let us not make more of something then we should or make something into what it is not.

-Brian

[Briguy]

Cam writes:
"""Masturbation does lead to other things that are bad, because it attacks chastity. It can be argued that masturbation can lead to more serious sexual deviancy. Because masturbation is a psychological action as well as physical one, when one becomes addicted, he will eventually want to act out on those fantasies. He has sinned precisely because he has thoughts are not chaste AND has acted upon them. The action is the masturbation. That is the sinful act. Therefore there is no separation between the action and the sin, but there can be separation between the thought and the sin.

And to use your allegory about chocolate.....having sex is not wrong, but having sex with someone that you are not married to is, even if it is with yourself"""

Cam, what you write is a decent argument. However, it is based on assumptions. It assumes that M is bad from the start and so naturally there is a progression to something even worse. It assumes that the deviant person is not already deviant but becomes that way through the M. The fact is that the person who goes on to heavy porn, adultery, rape is headed in that direction for one of two reasons. They are mentally sick. They have a chemical or brain defect. OR they are open to satanic influences (controlled by evil). M is not known to be the root cause of deviant behavior in males. Frankly, because most guys do it and only a very very small percent become deviants. The statistics could not be anymore against your theory, as good as your theory sounds. Doctrines or teachings are sometimes not supported by reality, even though we wish they were. This may sound funny but deviants are deviants because they are deviants. They are not so because they acted on a natural drive. I will let you respond before I go on. Thanks for the appropriate discussion on a very tricky subject to talk about. God's blessings to you Cam!

In Christ,
Brian

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Apr 22 2005, 01:07 AM'] i know its wrong, but man this is a hard one to give up. [/quote]
Yep.

Are you in charge of your body or are you its slave?

[Theologian in Training]

Just a few questions:

If masturbation is so natural and what God intended (since the argument seems to be that it is not a sin) then why, after creating Adam did He say that it is not good for man to be alone?

If man were sufficient of himself, why was there the need to create Eve?

Furthermore, if Adam and Eve were sufficient of themselves, why did God give them the command to be "fruitful and multiply?"

God Bless

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='Apr 22 2005, 10:18 AM'] Just a few questions:

If masturbation is so natural and what God intended (since the argument seems to be that it is not a sin) then why, after creating Adam did He say that it is not good for man to be alone?

If man were sufficient of himself, why was there the need to create Eve?

Furthermore, if Adam and Eve were sufficient of themselves, why did God give them the command to be "fruitful and multiply?"

God Bless [/quote]
Good call. I'll remember that argument.

[return2truth]

I am a 31 year old former catholic to new-ager who, since the passing of Pope John Paul the Great, has been feeling a strong call to return to the church. I have found this web site to particullarly insightful.

One of the BIGGEST obstacles I am facing is my addiction to masturbation. I have indulged in this practice on average once a day, every day for the last seventeen years. Having lived and accepted the relativist ideology that ALL paths have their elements of truth, I felt obliged to do whatever felt good for me. As long as no one else was harmed, I was free to do whatever it was I wanted to do. I have never done illegal drugs. I rarely drink, and have only been drunk twice. I have lived what seemed to me to be a moral life, at least to all outward appearences.

I understand the Church's position of sexual gratification outside of the union of marriage. I agree with it. I am not going to debate that issue. I also understand all of the justifications people use to excuse the continued use of such practices outside of the sacred marital union.

I know that sex is fun and it feels really good. The euphoria caused by an orgasm is one of the most power and seductive forces imaginable and thanks to masturbation it is [i]always[/i] just a few inches and minutes away, and free of charge. That is one of the reasons it so easy to justify its continuance in our lives. We indulge our tastes when we need to do so: eating the things we enjoy and not just for nutritional purposes, so why not give into our other biological impulses when they occur, especially when it is so easy to do? If God truly forbade it shouldn't our reproductive parts be only accessible by others? No! He wanted us to touch ourselves.

Yes... that's right!...It is stupid to think He wouldn't want us to enjoy the body he has given me. I'll be right back, excuse me while I go and ...

What a feeling; it hit me like thunder.

Not an orgasm. But an idea.

In the depths of my masturbation, I realzied that I couldn't care less about God. It felt so good I could only think about the [i]now[/i], the pleasure, the intense release that would soon come. Then the thought... "where is God right now?" I didn't care.

I didn't care.

And I stopped.

My body ached, but my heart ached more.

"How is this celebrating you, my Lord?"

I looked down at my body, "what are my eyes currently adoring?"

"I can only have one master."

I put myself back into my pants and sighed, "this isn't going to be easy."

I haven't had an orgasm now for five days. What has helped me is the idea that I am not repressing my desires, but choosing to put our Lord first. I want to love God more than myself and this is a very effective way for me to do so. For the person I was, it has been an incredulous sacrifice; for the person I am becoming, it has become a pledge.

I pray the Rosary every night. Bishop Hugh Doyle once said, "No one can live continually in sin and continue to say the Rosary: either they will give up sin or they will give up the Rosary." During my moments of contemplation with the Rosary, thoughts of sex subside as do my passions. I find peace and calm within its mysteries, but most of all I find freedom.

The next time you decide to masturbate, ask yourself, "wouldn't I rather praise our Lord?"

Now there are those who would argue that by celebrating the abilities of their God-given bodies they are celebrating Him who created them, but I am no longer one of those people.

[Brother Adam]

Good for you. Welcome home. I see the Hound of Heaven was pounding at your door. You are right to call masturbation an addiction. It does not free you, it ensnares you. I can only hope others will learn from your example.