Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 20 2005, 04:27 PM'] We've had a few years to work out the details.... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Masturbation is a natural and healthy practice. To deny this is to fall into error and an unhealthy psychology. The stigma on masturbation by the Catholic Church has probably caused more harm than good when people build sexual complexes that deny their sexual drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 In all that I've seen, the Catholic Church has always had strong guidelines and rules reguarding sins of the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Apr 20 2005, 09:33 PM'] Masturbation is a natural and healthy practice. To deny this is to fall into error and an unhealthy psychology. The stigma on masturbation by the Catholic Church has probably caused more harm than good when people build sexual complexes that deny their sexual drives. [/quote] :rotfl: That makes no sense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatmanjose Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Bro. Adam... There is an encouraging movement among protestants to consider masturbation sinful. I would recommend a protestant book (say it not so!) for any man dealing with this area of temptation. It's called every young man's battle and deals with sexual integrity and specifically masturbation. pax et bonum, joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Apr 20 2005, 11:33 PM'] Masturbation is a natural and healthy practice. To deny this is to fall into error and an unhealthy psychology. The stigma on masturbation by the Catholic Church has probably caused more harm than good when people build sexual complexes that deny their sexual drives. [/quote] So you go against two thousand years of church teaching and decide a sin is natural and healthy? I thought you were a christian? Maybe we should all pick a sin to decide is natural and healthy.... wouldn't want to be repressed or anything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Apr 20 2005, 09:33 PM'] Masturbation is a natural and healthy practice. To deny this is to fall into error and an unhealthy psychology. The stigma on masturbation by the Catholic Church has probably caused more harm than good when people build sexual complexes that deny their sexual drives. [/quote] I would LOVE to see you back that up!!!!! hahaha In fact, empirical evidence has shown that activities like frequent masturbaion and pornography lead to deeper psychological issues, and contribute directly to some of the most despicable human actions, like child pornography, child sexual abuse, and serious sexual crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 (edited) [quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 20 2005, 11:41 PM'] I would LOVE to see you back that up!!!!! hahaha In fact, empirical evidence has shown that activities like frequent masturbaion and pornography lead to deeper psychological issues, and contribute directly to some of the most despicable human actions, like child pornography, child sexual abuse, and serious sexual crime. [/quote] agreed. many paraphilias begin with the first masturbatory session. the seed (pardon the pun) is planted and eventually it progresses until much more drastic measures are needed to achieve gratification. Edited April 21, 2005 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Apr 20 2005, 11:05 PM'] Maybe we should all pick a sin to decide is natural and healthy.... wouldn't want to be repressed or anything.... [/quote] I call genocide! *takes out his magnifying glass and heads for the anthills* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Can I come with you? I have always wanted to end a race of ants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Apr 21 2005, 01:23 AM'] Can I come with you? I have always wanted to end a race of ants..... [/quote] Well...I'm going after the army ants...it would just be unsportsmanlike any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dairygirl, it should be noted that masturbation is not some sort of end to "sexual repression". Actually, as all forms of lust-based actions, it creates more lust. So, it would require more "sexual repression" to control. Albiet, you can imagine nothing is wrong, but it seeps in and takes more and more ground. Technically, you are feeding a monster. It isn't very healthy really, and alongside it's cousin pornography has been known to cause some of the most bizzare actions to be committed by humans, not to forget some of the most sinful. By the way, rape tends to rise in areas where this need to "express sexuality" takes over. It's no wonder in countries that outlaw masturbation and pornography you have some of the least rape rates anywhere in the world. I guess all that "sexual repression" isn't so bad after all. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 21 2005, 01:35 AM'] Well...I'm going after the army ants...it would just be unsportsmanlike any other way. [/quote] dude, go after the fire ants. They are evil. Chances are you'd be killed, but what a glorious way to go! succumbing to burning poison and being picked apart by a billion little pincers...never mind, stick with the army ants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 CAM42, thank you for the post. I looked at the scriptures and it is clear that you or the CC that is believe that M. is a type of fornication. If you define M. as fornication your scriptures are accurate. That is a fair answer. Thank you. Now according to the dictionary: Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n Function: noun : consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other -- We could argur weather M. fits what the Bible means but we would never agree so why do it. M. does not lead to other things that are bad. It does though add to the pornography experience, thus it can aide evil. It is not evil or wrong in and of itself. Exploring the bodies God gave us can not be wrong in and of itself, if done in private so as not to cause another person to sin or be uncomfortable. Like anything in this world, it can be used wrong and for evil and if a person choses to participate in this activity they need to guard there heart. Having a piece of chocalate is not wrong. Having 40 pieces a day for a year and gainign 200 pounds IS WRONG. We mustv guard ourselves on many fronts in this life. A glass of wine, fine but a bottle is sin. Never feel guilty about M. as long as you guard your heart and keep from sinning. If you can't drink one drink without drinking a whole bottle, don't have one drink. If you can't eat a small amount of chocolate without eating a 10 pounds, don't have any. If you can't M. without sinning, don't M. It is an easy concept and allows for the physical aspect of M. and the natural process of exploring and enjoying ones body. As for the OT stuff, the Law has passed and we have been set free from its bondage. In Christian Love and concern, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='Briguy' date='Apr 21 2005, 07:54 AM'] CAM42, thank you for the post. I looked at the scriptures and it is clear that you or the CC that is believe that M. is a type of fornication. If you define M. as fornication your scriptures are accurate. That is a fair answer. Thank you. Now according to the dictionary: Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n Function: noun : consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other -- We could argur weather M. fits what the Bible means but we would never agree so why do it. M. does not lead to other things that are bad. It does though add to the pornography experience, thus it can aide evil. It is not evil or wrong in and of itself. Exploring the bodies God gave us can not be wrong in and of itself, if done in private so as not to cause another person to sin or be uncomfortable. Like anything in this world, it can be used wrong and for evil and if a person choses to participate in this activity they need to guard there heart. Having a piece of chocalate is not wrong. Having 40 pieces a day for a year and gainign 200 pounds IS WRONG. We mustv guard ourselves on many fronts in this life. A glass of wine, fine but a bottle is sin. Never feel guilty about M. as long as you guard your heart and keep from sinning. If you can't drink one drink without drinking a whole bottle, don't have one drink. If you can't eat a small amount of chocolate without eating a 10 pounds, don't have any. If you can't M. without sinning, don't M. It is an easy concept and allows for the physical aspect of M. and the natural process of exploring and enjoying ones body. As for the OT stuff, the Law has passed and we have been set free from its bondage. In Christian Love and concern, Brian [/quote] [quote]Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young. (CCC 2352)[/quote] As defined by [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/"]dictionary.com[/url]: [quote]Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other. [/quote] So, there is no difference between the Catholic interpretation and the secular. I don't think that masturbation is fornication, but rather it is supported as a sin against chastity. Insofar as that is the case, it is related to fornication, pornography, and rape. Masturbation does lead to other things that are bad, because it attacks chastity. It can be argued that masturbation can lead to more serious sexual deviancy. Because masturbation is a psychological action as well as physical one, when one becomes addicted, he will eventually want to act out on those fantasies. He has sinned precisely because he has thoughts are not chaste AND has acted upon them. The action is the masturbation. That is the sinful act. Therefore there is no separation between the action and the sin, but there can be separation between the thought and the sin. And to use your allegory about chocolate.....having sex is not wrong, but having sex with someone that you are not married to is, even if it is with yourself. Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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