cmotherofpirl Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 FISH????? I always knew my children were evil spawn i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Apr 19 2005, 07:53 AM'] We are sexual beings after all, and it's important to keep emenating our testicular "resources" so they keep supplying us with new "fish", so to speak. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Apr 19 2005, 07:46 AM'] Some people say it's selfish? Probably... SO WHAT? :angry: I personally don't see anything wrong with it, other than it might entice someone into more sexual deviancy, like porno and more porno. [/quote] Phazzan, What's wrong with being 'selfish'? It's selfish, so it's limited. Catholic sex is the best sex because ultimately it is centered on complete giving of yourself to the other person for love, pleasure, and openess to new life. Self gratifying sex is selfish and is ultimately not as satisfying as intimate sex with someone you really love. Really, really, good sex is connecting spiritually as well as physically. Ask any happily married couple who has a good sex life after 5 years of marriage. Most sexual dysfunctions are a result of inability to communicate and difficulty with performance anxiety. At it's core, self stimulation for selfish pleasure is dysfuntional. And the human male doesn't need frequent rejuvination of their resources to keep fresh 'fish'. Any specialist in male fertility will tell a man that frequency will diminsh quality and quantity of fresh fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 could we please stop refering to "fresh fish"? :crackup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phazzan Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='jasJis' date='Apr 19 2005, 08:08 AM'] Phazzan, What's wrong with being 'selfish'? It's selfish, so it's limited. Catholic sex is the best sex because ultimately it is centered on complete giving of yourself to the other person for love, pleasure, and openess to new life. Self gratifying sex is selfish and is ultimately not as satisfying as intimate sex with someone you really love. Really, really, good sex is connecting spiritually as well as physically. Ask any happily married couple who has a good sex life after 5 years of marriage. Most sexual dysfunctions are a result of inability to communicate and difficulty with performance anxiety. At it's core, self stimulation for selfish pleasure is dysfuntional. And the human male doesn't need frequent rejuvination of their resources to keep fresh 'fish'. Any specialist in male fertility will tell a man that frequency will diminsh quality and quantity of fresh fish. [/quote] So what? You've explained to me how Catholic sex is better, and it may be, but how does that make non-Catholic, "evil", selfish sex wrong? Human beings are fundmentally selfish beings. That's the way nature programmed us, and whether we like to admit it or not, we always put ourselves first. Basturmation keeps us sexually active, even when we're not (nudge nudge, ). Do you really think your future wife would care if you have a little fun with yourself every now and then? Will she go "oh, are you cheating on me with Miss Parmer again, jasis?". "How dare you! :angry: I'm getting a divorce!" I can't see how it's selfish, and I can't for the life of me see how it's evil, except for God says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I believe jasJis is married. Let's try not to get too personal here with the references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Phazzan, I'll answer and pretend you are mature enough. Self stimulating of self instead of with your spouse is selfish. Self stimulation of yourself when you are single develops and reinforces a habit that is selfish and dysfunctional when you do have a relationship with another. If you read my entire post, you would have seen how I stated that masturbation does lead to self-centered sex and self-senteredness in sexual relationships contribute to poor communication and performance anxiety which is the root of most sexual dysfunction. That has nothing to do with God or religion. It's applied practical and mature thinking. Playboy or Penthouse shouldn't be your only 'scientific' source about sex. Humanity can be selfish, but we are also naturally altruistic and do what needs to be done for our spouse or children. A natural instinct that is shared with other creatures, except humanity is more developed. Since you're not married and have not enjoyed years of sexual intimacy with another, you haven't a clue about reality. Your wife will be ticked the first time she wants sex and you don't and she knows you've been busy with 'Miss Parmer' (as you so childishly put it). It will cause a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phazzan Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Relax jasjis, you old geezer. Selfish sex, selfless sex, it's all about the same thing... spreading your genes. You can have your superior sex life, at least I'm staying sane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Leave it to Phazzan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Apr 19 2005, 10:52 AM'] Do you really think your future wife would care if you have a little fun with yourself every now and then? Will she go "oh, are you cheating on me with Miss Parmer again, jasis?". "How dare you! :angry: I'm getting a divorce!" [/quote] Actually, the issue of masturbation and pornography can be incredibly damaging to a marriage. I know a couple who did get a divorce because of it. It's not a light matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point5 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I know my future wife definately will care...we spoken about it. It is cheating. PERIOD[b][color=blue].[/color][/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 yep. Everytime you masturbate you have taken a knife and stabbed your wife or your future wife in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I have a friend whose boyfriend is trying to break the habit that he has developed masterbating. He feels guilty everytime he does it, and he wants to quit not only for himeself, but for her; especally if they are going to get married. Also the point about masterbating not being unitive or reproductive is that a male would be releasing his "fish" ( I am not eating fish for a long time now) without the chance of there being reproduction. So by releasing your "fish" you are diminishing the "fresh fish's" ability to reproduce when the time comes to do so. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Phazzan, listen bro, I disagree with your premise that human beings are naturally selfish. If that is the case, why are you sharing it with me? Wouldn't it make more sense for your well-being that you keep it to yourself? WARNING. I AM GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT GRAPHIC HERE, SO PLEASE DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ GRAPHIC DETAIL ABOUT HUMAN SEXUALITY. As I see it, masturbation is wrong on three levels. First, it is not procreative. A man must ejaculate in a woman's vagina in order for the sexual act to be open to life. One of the natural ends of sex is procreation. Certainly you cannot deny that. Every act is ordered to its proper end. Since the proper end of sex is procreation, all sexual activity must also be open to procreation. Masturbation, by its nature, is not. Secondly, it is not unitive. Sex is designed to bring one man and one woman together permanently who have already been joined in marriage. It is the glue that makes the bond stick together. Masturbation does not do this either. Also, I said this earlier, but let me reiterate it. Experiencing pleasure is not wrong in sex. For the male to ejaculate, he must first achieve an orgasm. That's the way it works. The female anatomy does not achieve that as quickly as the man. This is why the Church teaches that since the female orgasm is not necessary for procreation, the man may stimulate his wife to climax after intercourse. Finally, it is wrong because God said so. If there were no law giver, there could be no law. Morally, masturbation is wrong because God said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 humans are sexual beings... the PURPOSE for us to be sexual beings is for procreation and the ordered union of a man and wife. this is a disordered focus of the sexual drive in a selfish manner that does not do either of these things. the "health" status of masturbation has been greatly exaggerated. it does not in fact keep you healthy. excessive masturbation really damages your sex drive, and lifelong lack of masturbation OR sex damages your sex drive. the self-gratification portion of masturbation psychologically damages your ability to truly give yourself fully to your wife in the end. basically, the healthiest thing for your sex drive and for your mental capacity to really love is to avoid sexual pleasure until you are married and then have sex regularly. to not excercise your sex drive for twenty-some or even thirty-some years at the beginning of your life is NOT unhealthy for your sex drive considering that you have sex regularly with your spouse. now, if you're going to be celibate your whole life, then it doesn't matter if your sex drive is not good. it is proven that excessive masturbation is unhealthy, and any masturbation at all then becomes dangerous as it could lead to this excessive masturbation. it is often said erroneously that regular masturbation is healthy, however, the most healthy thing that can be done is for a man to wait until he is married, even if that be into the mid 30's before he is married, and then have sex regularly with his spouse. it is healthy for your sex drive to not masturbate ever no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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