Fidei Defensor Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Go to confession anyways. Then you will be sure you are not in sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 how can you sin by accident?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 While I am not a huge fan of Cam , When there is doubt, it is better to go. Philippe, of the requirements of mortal sin, one must have full knowledge and full consent. There are however sins of ommission. If more could have been done to ensure he could have been at mass, but neglected to do more, then it could be a sin of omission. As Cam said, he should go and talk to the priest and the priest can make the correct judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 [quote name='Philippe' date='Apr 17 2005, 04:06 PM'] you had the intent of going there is no reason to go to confession because there is no sin as long as you tried your best to go. Cam, things happen and confusion happens and it just ended up being for the worst. [/quote] Yes, things happen, but all of this seems like a ton of justification for not making it to Mass....all I am saying is get dispensation or absolution. Perhaps if I put it this way, don't go to confession, but call Father on the phone and see what he says. I almost always cut to the chase. Going to confession is the safe bet. Incidentally, just because you go into the confessional doesn't necessarily mean that on is in a state of sin. Part of the confessional is to get counselling. That can be a good thing. As I ahve said, confession is never a bad thing. If you read just what I am saying, I am saying go to confession and Father will decide the best course. I think that you assume that I am saying that it is a sin. Incidentally one can sin "on accident." It is called a venial sin. [quote]One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent. (CCC 1862)[/quote] Notice the without full knowledge or complete consent? Not that I am assuming that on anyone, but it is a clarificaiton that one can sin on accident. Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 How about we just stop. We are fighting over someone elses sin/non sin. Leave it up to them. Catholic v.s. Catholic = :nono: remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Apr 17 2005, 04:56 PM'] How about we just stop. We are fighting over someone elses sin/non sin. Leave it up to them. Catholic v.s. Catholic = :nono: remember? [/quote] Considering that curtins asked.....we were only obliging.... And this isn't Catholic v. Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Cam, with all due respect, it IS NONE OF YOUR beaver dam BUSINESS. I don't care if I'm not a moderator or if I get kicked off of Phatmass for saying this, but you have NO RIGHT, none, WHATSOEVER, to determine the state of another person's soul. That is between that person, God, and his spiritual director/confessor. How dare you accuse someone of being in a state of mortal sin without even knowing all of the facts! No, he should not confess this. He can inquire about it to the priest, and if the priest determines that there is sin there, then he can confess it. However, Confession is for the forgiveness of sin and I see no reason to confess something that isn't a sin. I must say, I was shocked and appalled at reading this thread. Of course deliberately missing Sunday Mass is mortally sinful, but until you know all of the facts, it is wise to keep your mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 [quote]Cam, with all due respect, it IS NONE OF YOUR beaver dam BUSINESS. I don't care if I'm not a moderator or if I get kicked off of Phatmass for saying this, but you have NO RIGHT, none, WHATSOEVER, to determine the state of another person's soul. That is between that person, God, and his spiritual director/confessor. How dare you accuse someone of being in a state of mortal sin without even knowing all of the facts! No, he should not confess this. He can inquire about it to the priest, and if the priest determines that there is sin there, then he can confess it. However, Confession is for the forgiveness of sin and I see no reason to confess something that isn't a sin. I must say, I was shocked and appalled at reading this thread. Of course deliberately missing Sunday Mass is mortally sinful, but until you know all of the facts, it is wise to keep your mouth shut. [/quote] please... we must end Catholic on Catholic Violence... for John Paul II. All Cam said was that he should ask his priest if it was a Mortal sin or not. Not a big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 It is a big thing. In his original post he said he should go to Confession before receiving again. That implies that he judged him to be in a state of mortal sin, which we have no right to do, none at all. It is not true charity to not debate this just because it involves Catholics. True charity is pointing out errors when they occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Deep breath everyone. Say it with me: Serenity now. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 [quote]It is not true charity to not debate this just because it involves Catholics. True charity is pointing out errors when they occur[/quote] I think that is what Cam was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 No. What Cam did was accuse a person of being in a state of mortal sin. There is a big difference between fraternally correcting someone and accusing them of being spiritually dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 bieng in a state of Mortal sin is not spiritual death. it is a heinous sin that deprives the soul of sanctifying grace and causes damnation if unpardoned at the time of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 JP2Iloveyou, I don't think Cam intended to judged Curtin's soul. He just assumed the particulars of the situation, and let him know that (in his estimation) he had violated divine law. I didn't assume the same particulars as Cam, but I didn't think what he said was anything malicious. Let's all calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Told you. Should have listened and just stopped. Please. Stop. Peace. We are going to get a new Pope soon. We want happy. I want happy. I DEMAND HAPPY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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