Diocese of Joliet

[JP2Iloveyou]

[quote name='Zoecool13' date='Apr 17 2005, 08:14 AM'] Just cuz he's a Bishop doesn't free him from criticism. I have Bishop Doran, who I've actually been known to have called him Bishop Moran. He is extremally anti-social, and even once grunted at me as I said hello to him. (This is not why i dislike him, he's done several things that are upsetting and disturbing.)

Anyways, you should honor your mother and father, but my family is pretty messed up and share our love through ridicule. My Nana who is 62 years old is better known as Ugly, shortie, stupid, and a few others that shouldn't be mentioned.

At the same time, the Bishop is still human. Still free to make many mistakes. Still free to be stupid. If he does, we, as other humans have the right to make the observation and call it what it is. If we observe this conduct on several occasions, then the observations become more and more factual. So, if the Bishop is a moran, so be it. I am not dishonoring him, just saying it for what it is.

Love, Peace, and Chicken Grease

-Joe [/quote]
You can judge actions, not the person. Furthermore, I just don't think that it is prudent to publicly criticize your own bishop, or any bishop for that matter.

[Guest Eremite]

[quote]"Now, the administration of Christian affairs immediately under the Roman Pontiff appertains to the bishops, who, although they attain not to the summit of pontifical power, are nevertheless truly princes in the ecclesiastical hierarchy; and as each one of them administers a particular church, they are 'as master-workers. . . in the spiritual edifice,' and they have members of the clergy to share their duties and carry out their decisions. Every one has to regulate his mode of conduct according to this constitution of the Church, which it is not in the power of any man to change. Consequently, just as in the exercise of their episcopal authority the bishops ought to be united with the apostolic see so should the members of the clergy and the laity live in close union with their bishops. Among the prelates, indeed, one or other there may be affording scope to criticism either in regard to personal conduct or in reference to opinions by him entertained about points of doctrine; but no private person may arrogate to himself the office of judge which Christ our Lord has bestowed on that one alone whom He placed in charge of His lambs and of His sheep. Let every one bear in mind that most wise teaching of Gregory the Great: 'Subjects should be admonished not rashly to judge their prelates, even if they chance to see them acting in a blameworthy manner, lest, justly reproving what is wrong, they be led by pride into greater wrong. They are to be warned against the danger of setting themselves up in audacious opposition to the superiors whose shortcomings they may notice. Should, therefore, the superiors really have committed grievous sins, their inferiors, penetrated with the fear of God, ought not to refuse them respectful submission. The actions of superiors should not be smitten by the sword of the word, even when they are rightly judged to have deserved censure.'"[/quote]

(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter "Sapientiae Christianae")

Edited April 17, 2005 by Eremite

[picchick]

Hey Katrina!
Yes the Joliet Diocese is relatively liberal. I mean there are more liberal dioceses out there but as far as I know (I go to school at Benedictine University in Lisle) they don't do anything way out there.

I live in the Rockford Diocese so I hear some stories from there. However they are not so far liberal that they have clown Masses and wierd things like that. The worst I saw was no kneelers/tabernacle in the Church.


Just to let you know. U of St. Francis has a nursing school. If all else fails I may go there Maybe I might see you there.
Meg

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='JP2Iloveyou' date='Apr 17 2005, 06:23 PM'] You can judge actions, not the person. Furthermore, I just don't think that it is prudent to publicly criticize your own bishop, or any bishop for that matter. [/quote]
why not? Is he not human like anyone else? Is he any different then George Bush? They are both men of God, are they not? Public criticism is the only criticism that gets anything accomplished.