notbilln Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Recently, Democratic presidential nominee hopeful Howard dean made a rather controversial statement. He said that he wanted every southerner with a confederate flag in his pick up truck to vote for him. That's the controversial part, but he also went on to say that he didn't understand why the working class southerners voted for a cannidate that didn't always have their best ecconomic interests in mind. They need social programs that would give them better schools, healthcare coverage, jobs, increased social security and medicare benifits. Even if he could deliver all of those, he is missing a very big point. He and all other democratic nominees are pro abortion. He would certianly not sign any kind of law or amendment that protected the unborn, nor would he appoint justices that would make rulings to prevent the senceless slaughter of the unborn. How could anyone sacrafice the unborn for economic reasons? How could I live with myself, If I knowingly turned my back on the innocent for my own profit?!? I hate to put it in these terms, but it would be like supporting hitler because he gave me a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 something to ponder from the PC police...Rush Limbaugh was run off of ESPN for, in a nutshell, saying Donovan McNabb was overrated because he was black. Howard Dean says he wants everyone with a Confederate flag to vote for him. The Confederate flag is widely regarded as a symbold of slavery and white supremacy. Do you think we would be hearing more of this if George Bush had said it? Now, I have admitted my bias many times on here. I am a Catholic and I vote for the person most favorable to the position of the Catholic Church who has a chance to win. USUALLY, this is a republican, NOT ALWAYS. However, putting that aside for the moment, the point is that a conservative lost his job over a "racist" comment and a liberal makes a "racist" comment and can run for President of the United States. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbilln Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 Oh, the other democrats are not going to let him get away with it. But, yes, if he was republican he'd be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Actually, they were talking about Howard Dean's comment on MSNBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 (edited) I don't understand why so many people get away with bearing the confederate flag. It is a symbol of hate against black people, yet somehow southerners are allowed to boast the Confederate colors because it promotes "heritage, not hate". Bull. No German man could parade around with a Nazi swastika on his shirt and say, "Oh, don't worry, guys. I don't hate Jews, I'm just preserving our rich German heritage!" There would be a huge international uproar and he'd probably be arrested. So why are Americans allowed to bear flags of hatred? -Mark Edited November 6, 2003 by geetarplayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Recently, Democratic presidential nominee hopeful Howard dean made a rather controversial statement. He said that he wanted every southerner with a confederate flag in his pick up truck to vote for him. That's the controversial part, but he also went on to say that he didn't understand why the working class southerners voted for a cannidate that didn't always have their best ecconomic interests in mind. They need social programs that would give them better schools, healthcare coverage, jobs, increased social security and medicare benifits. Even if he could deliver all of those, he is missing a very big point. He and all other democratic nominees are pro abortion. He would certianly not sign any kind of law or amendment that protected the unborn, nor would he appoint justices that would make rulings to prevent the senceless slaughter of the unborn. How could anyone sacrafice the unborn for economic reasons? How could I live with myself, If I knowingly turned my back on the innocent for my own profit?!? I hate to put it in these terms, but it would be like supporting hitler because he gave me a job. The modern abortion was perfected by the Nazi's. The democrats want to slow if not stop the growth of minorities, maybe because they feel superior... why do they push so hard for free abortions for them? They created the lie of a world that can't support to many people... which is a joke. There is plenty of world to support people, more people equals more consumers, equals more jobs, etc... God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I don't understand why so many people get away with bearing the confederate flag. It is a symbol of hate against black people, yet somehow southerners are allowed to boast the Confederate colors because it promotes "heritage, not hate". Bull. Not bull. The rebel flag is a symbol of the south. The civil war had more to do with things than just slavery. There are more active kkk in the north than there are in the south. It's not a symbol of hate. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbilln Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 The rebel flag is often used as a symbol of hate, by people in the north and south. There may have been other issues in the civil war, but come on, it was mostly about slavery. Call a spade a spade. Even if it were not currently used as a symbol of hate, it is a reminder of a very dark period in our contries history. It is a reminder of how we used to treat our fellow man. It is a reminder of how we could justify any crulity against others for our benifit. I realise thats somewhat ironic in light of my original post. Oh well, life is funny like that sometimes. That reminds me, I've been thinking about the original post. I did not mean to imply that everyone in the south has a truck with a rebel flag, or that they all vote republican because they oppose abortion. I'm sure they all have thier reasons but that is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I'm guessing that since the South is the Bible-belt, most people down there tend to vote Republican. They tend to be far-right on the political spectrum. That being said, I think Howard Dean was trying to secure votes for himself by promising a good economy to people who wouldn't normally vote for him. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Not bull. The rebel flag is a symbol of the south. The civil war had more to do with things than just slavery. There are more active kkk in the north than there are in the south. It's not a symbol of hate. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk You're absolutly right. The 'rebel' Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of oppression and rebellion against every American who values freedom and equality between of all people. The flag represents a crappy and dark period in American history and it should be burned and trampled and peed on in the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 It's not a symbol of hate. Because ignorant inbreds use it, does not make it a symbol of hate. They also use the cross. A symbol is whatever the user intends it to be. The majority of people that have a rebel flag use it for the sign of the south... or just being a rebel... nothing to do with the racist overtones of the ignorant. -ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 It's not a symbol of hate. Because ignorant inbreds use it, does not make it a symbol of hate. They also use the cross. A symbol is whatever the user intends it to be. The majority of people that have a rebel flag use it for the sign of the south... or just being a rebel... nothing to do with the racist overtones of the ignorant. -ironmonk where you live this might be true but where I am from it is a symbol of separation and prejudice and violence. As someone who is southern and lives in the south I say it is trash and it should be publicly burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbilln Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 Agian, I repeat myself. For I fear, you do not understand. The rebel flag is a reminder of how we used to treat our fellow man. It is a reminder of how we could justify any crulity against others for our benifit. The south did not have any legitimate reason for succesion. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO RATIONALIZE EVIL! Just as not everyone in Germany was evil through 1930-45, not everyone was evil in the south. However, the flags of both governements will always stand a symbols and reminders of the evils perpetrated and rationalised under them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 It is a shame, too, because the swastika was a sign of peace and prosperity before the Nazis started to use it for their own evil purposes. The Swastika and the Nazis -Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdewolf2 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I don't see why the Confederate flag should be outlawed just because some people use it for racist purposes. The Confederacy and everything it stood for was not inherently racist. General Robert E. Lee thought slavery should be abolished, there were black regiments in the Confederate Army, and so on. A lot of modern pro-Confederate groups emphasize the contributions of blacks and minorities to the Confederacy. Having a Confederate flag is not evil, it is not inherently racist, and just because some people are offended by it doesn't mean it is wrong. The NAACP folks should get a life. And Catholics shouldn't be so dogmatic about it because last time I checked sympathy toward minority advocacy groups that want to ban everything that offends them personally is not de fide. And my thoughts on the swastika. The swastika is an ancient symbol of life, vitality, and good luck used around the world long before Hitler ever came into power. There is a chinese church in Hawaii with swastikas ("wan-zi") on its pews dating from the 1800s. The website address for the church is www.firstchinese.org. I say that banning such symbols only increases their power. They should be de-mystified, and all this talk about "symbols of evil" should be scrapped. Just my two cents. Feel free to lynch me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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