Priscilla Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 [quote]No, we have no official stance, except on a few things in creation that had to happen.[/quote] Such as? How come there is "no official stance" on Creation in the Catholic Church? I do not understand this? Death entered the world through sin, but if you believe in evolution then you must believe that death came befre sin. Surely this is back to front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 The stance of the Catholic church has been and is that God did it. Either way, it doesn't matter a whole lot most of us. There needs to be no debate. God started it and He did it how he wanted to. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I believe that it is because it is arbitrary on many points. The Church holds that God is the creator, not that He created in manner X, Y, and Z. Death did enter the world, but which way are you talking about, physical death or spiritual death? Remember sin is turning away from God, choosing something lesser, that does indeed cause a type of death. It could also be because the Church deals with matters of faith and morals, not of physics and chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 You need to read Humanae Generis for the official Catholic Stance, Jezic summed it up. At the same time, Catholics must reject Darwinism, because it is anti-transcendtal and anti-metaphysical. Still further, why Catholics do believe in the first humans being Adam and Eve, and original sin, ect, Genesis is ment to be a myth about creation. This does not mean that we think it is untrue. But in sense we understand it to be something more then a mere scientific account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 God created everything. God will end everything. All the rest is minor details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I'm indoctrined to be an evolutionist... but my heart wants to embrace Creationism (I have more or less Traditionalist leanings). The problem is, it doesn't matter. God created, and it was made. We need not bother ourselves over it, or in other words, it is much ado about nothing. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 You know those arguments childish people have about conflicts? How somebody gets punched in the face and it goes back and forth about who did, and it turns out about a million different things happened leading to the punch? Well, the same goes for evolution. Who knows exactly what happened. But God started it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I'm a hard core creationist. Light theory and other scientific claims lean too strongly in the wind of creationism. Evolution, even theistic evolution has so many problems with it, it is ALMOST absurd to hold to it. One of those things I will work on in the Church in full communion as a member of the Bride of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudette Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I just read all of Humani Generis 2 weeks ago and did a test on it. Evolution: not logical, not realistic. Creation: logical, realistic. The way it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Who cares? We're here. We know we are created. We know we are sinners. We know Christ has died for us and redeemed us. I think scientific inquiry is important, but there is no need to take strict positions. You can recognize evolution in nature yet reject Darwin's interpretation, while at the same time understanding the transcendental nature of God in Creation and even illuminated by science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 You can only recognize micro-evolution in nature, and it does matter because you are giving athiests a foothold. Athiesm, who John Paul calls one of the serious problems of our time. I've gone through it before with hard core non-theistic evolutionists. I've watched them tear through theistic evolutionists, but have a harder time touching creationists. I've seen men move from Christ to athiesm over this issue. Every moment is a moment of evangelization. This one included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 (edited) [quote]You can only recognize micro-evolution in nature,[/quote] Wrong. We have observed evolution in the wild. Url included. [url="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/26/MN172778.DTL"]Evolution of Songbirds and salamanders[/url] More Info here: [url="http://www.talkorigins.org"]TalkOrigins[/url] [quote] and it does matter because you are giving athiests a foothold. Athiesm, who John Paul calls one of the serious problems of our time.[/quote] So are you basicly saying to discard evidence simply out of your fear of atheism. I'm not suprised. [quote]I've gone through it before with hard core non-theistic evolutionists. I've watched them tear through theistic evolutionists, but have a harder time touching creationists. I've seen men move from Christ to athiesm over this issue. [/quote] Creationism is a stance against evolution out of fear. There is not one shred of evidence to support creationism. Its not even a scientific theory. Its simply an assertion. One that says 'god did it'. If you know a creationist who can convert athiest into christians through their overwhelming evidence for creationism. Infidelguy radio show would love to debate them. Imagine all the souls you could save. Edited April 14, 2005 by Melchisedec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 [quote name='Dudette' date='Apr 13 2005, 07:18 PM'] [/quote] [quote] Evolution: not logical, not realistic.[/quote] How so? [quote] Creation: logical, realistic. The way it was [/quote] Explain please? Nice shoes btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 i believe in evolution, and no i dont believe that evolution came before sin....i believe that sin happened before the creation of the universe. Because of sin....I believe the universe was created. Man wasnt given free will until adam and eve..... but before adam and eve there was still evil (sin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Apr 13 2005, 10:03 PM'] Because of sin....I believe the universe was created. Man wasnt given free will until adam and eve..... but before adam and eve there was still evil (sin). [/quote] Just curious as to why you think that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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