Melchisedec Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 21 2005, 08:46 AM'] Bibliography to come. In the meanwhile, could you please give the complete bibliographic information on the books you've listed? [/quote] No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 21 2005, 09:07 AM'] Yeah, I was looking for information on the authors, and I couldn't find anything except on one. (Thus the request for more information). The only thing I could find was on Freke, and he didn't seem to be much of an authority. He has a BA in philosophy and writes books on "spiritualism." I could not find any indication that his views belonged to an academic consensus, or represented it best. That's not to say I think Christianity's mythical predecessors are an invention of Mel's authors. But to say that Christianity is a fabrication, well, I don't see how one proceeds from the other. [/quote] You can purchase all these books on Amazon. If you want to attack the credibility of any of their works, I suggest you get the books and do an analysis of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 hot stuff pointed something out that has been ringing a bell in my head all day today......judaism is the first religion in which they recognized a servitude to yahweh ( or a god). This sets the belief in yahweh apart from the belief in any other god. To me, sounds like yahweh must have given them a reason to serve him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealousdefender Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 10 2005, 12:01 AM']Its very simple. We want to make sense of the world around us. We want purpose. We want to know why we are here, when we were created, what lies out there in the universe and beyond for us. Science has always been the explanation to those questions unknown. Why are there persisitant and common theory spread through culture. Are there symbols innate in the human mind like Jung theorized. Why are most scientific theories evolutionary in a nature. Why are most scientific creation stories almost identical?[/quote] Touche! Sorry, I am new to this forum and am just reading these threads for the first time, so forgive if I respond to older posts. I assert that the Bavarian Motor Works do not exist. I have seen no evidence that it does. I believe that BMW’s are manufactured in China and that all this talk of “German engineering” is just a myth. The Chinese have developed this myth to bamboozle an unsuspecting public into believing that these vehicles are built in Germany. Until I have actually been to the Bavarian Motor Works, and have seen BMW’s rolling off the assembly line, I will not believe that it exists. But even then, how would I know that I was really in Germany, and not China. Just because I get on a plane and land someplace that I am told is Germany, how can I be sure that I really am in Germany? Unless my trip to Germany is overland with a GPS locater in my hand, so that I can actually see where I am going, I will never believe that I am in Germany. But wait a minute, those Chinese are pretty clever with electronics, too. They could still trick me into believing that I was in Germany, when I was really in China. Dang those Chinese. (They do make great BMW’s though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 we dont live in reality.........heaven is reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 [quote name='zealousdefender' date='Apr 22 2005, 06:53 AM'] Touche! Sorry, I am new to this forum and am just reading these threads for the first time, so forgive if I respond to older posts. I assert that the Bavarian Motor Works do not exist. I have seen no evidence that it does. I believe that BMW’s are manufactured in China and that all this talk of “German engineering” is just a myth. The Chinese have developed this myth to bamboozle an unsuspecting public into believing that these vehicles are built in Germany. Until I have actually been to the Bavarian Motor Works, and have seen BMW’s rolling off the assembly line, I will not believe that it exists. But even then, how would I know that I was really in Germany, and not China. Just because I get on a plane and land someplace that I am told is Germany, how can I be sure that I really am in Germany? Unless my trip to Germany is overland with a GPS locater in my hand, so that I can actually see where I am going, I will never believe that I am in Germany. But wait a minute, those Chinese are pretty clever with electronics, too. They could still trick me into believing that I was in Germany, when I was really in China. Dang those Chinese. (They do make great BMW’s though.) [/quote] I dont believe you exist. For all I know your a bot written in Visual Basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealousdefender Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 22 2005, 02:04 PM'] I dont believe you exist. For all I know your a bot written in Visual Basic. [/quote] You're right. None of us on this site exist. There's only you... and you've been arguing with yourself for how long? :argue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 21 2005, 09:53 AM'] You can purchase all these books on Amazon. If you want to attack the credibility of any of their works, I suggest you get the books and do an analysis of them. [/quote] I see we've got some new atheists, so I thought I would bump this discussion... Then I remembered I owe you a bibliography! Sorry, I've been busy with graduate school and work. (PS: I don't have to read these books to attack their credibility... I work in a library. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Objective v. Subjective Reality: [url="http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/objectiv.htm"]http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/objectiv.htm[/url] (Be sure to check out the skeptics' view of an objective reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Objects of perception: [url="http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/perc-obj.htm"]http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/perc-obj.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Theories of explanation: (ctrl + F for "anti-real") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 I don't remember if I posted this or not: [url="http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/faith-re.htm"]http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/faith-re.htm[/url] ^ Faith and Reason ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Sense data: [url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sense-data/"]http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sense-data/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 [url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism/"]http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism/[/url] ^Realism^ Look at this, it's one of the most hotly contested topics in Philosophy today... is reality real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 bump for reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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