Godfried Danneels

[Guest Eremite]

Is it just me, or does "Godfried Daneels" sound like something you would order at a diner in Alabama?

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='JP2Iloveyou' date='Apr 13 2005, 07:26 PM'] In the Catholic faith, one is neither liberal or conservative. To be Catholic means to support the Church and all that she teaches. To dissent is simply to remove oneself from being in union with the Church. [/quote]
nobody is dissenting. You seem to think that it is impossible for lay people in an era of informaiton to have a somewhat practical knowledge of just who the Cardinals are, where they stand on certain issues, how willing they would be to defend the Faith, etc.
In the past, we didn't have the internet, we couldn't read what the cardinals wrote, they didn't make press conferences, and nobody knew when the pope died until a few months afterward.

Let's not turn this into an argument, but you should just take it easy when you hear people talk about whether the next pope will be good or not. He's just a man, and his personal conviction and willingness to stand up for the Faith the way JPII did could be fallible, though he would of course be prevented by the Holy Spirit from teaching error in matters of faith and morals. My point remains that just because a man is pope does not turn him into some saint. History backs me up, and there is no problem with looking at the track record of cardinals to project whether they will be a.) elected, and b.) if elected, effective or transitional or destructive.
My understanding of the Vatican Council II is that lay people should pay attention to these things and join the Cardinals in praying that the Holy Spirit will guide them to making the right choice...however some of these men do not require Divine guidance to eliminate. Let's drop it, eh?

[JP2Iloveyou]

Fair enough, let's drop it. But, seriously, some of us really need to be careful when publicly criticizing a Prince of the Church, or a bishop, or a priest. JPII didn't deem it necessary to publicly criticize Cardinal Daneels, as far as I know. I don't think it is prudent of us either.

[timsj]

[quote name='jrndveritatis' date='Apr 9 2005, 09:58 PM'] Cons:  Liberal

Sounds way too liberal for the Church.

"Progressive" is often a codeword for those who want to "change" doctrine. [/quote]
I have to say I am baffled by this logic..... Whereas [b]I agree[/b] progressive does often mean liberal (which is an arrogant assumption) that orthodoxy and fidelity to a tradition can not be seen as progressive in cultures which are taking steps backwards .... to then state that doctrine has never changed is I'm afraid ill-informed.

The doctrine of the church has changed over 2000 years.... whether it be through new doctrine being added to the corpus of dogma, or old dogma being reformulated .... and their are many examples e.g. in SOteriology ( pertaining to what entails salvation).... understanding of the role of the Pope, .... Catholic dogma aboout Mary etc

[i]Too liberal for the church?[/i]

Who are you to say this... maybe too liberal for your church.... but appointed by the late Pope, greatly admired as a theologian by many.... I believe deserves more respect than this

These type of statements do not help the the integrity of the Church at all.... it just increases a very damaging polarisation. We cease to be evangelising and become a inward lookin divided institution. These type of statements are often made out of fear and not love.

Edited April 17, 2005 by timsj