_bc Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 It's illegal to sell fan art or fan films for profit gain. It's perfectly fine to make fan related things, but it's illegal for the author to sell his Star Wars fan-related creation. Are you sure it is? Because I felt pretty confident it wasn't. The link I gave above is to a company that sells reprints of Andy Warhol posters, and I'm pretty sure Campell Soup get's to have no say in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 It's illegal to sell fan art or fan films for profit gain. It's perfectly fine to make fan related things, but it's illegal for the author to sell his Star Wars fan-related creation. Are you sure it is? Because I felt pretty confident it wasn't. The link I gave above is to a company that sells reprints of Andy Warhol posters, and I'm pretty sure Campell Soup get's to have no say in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jrob8503 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 (edited) I never download anything but bootlegs (live performances and such). I like HAVING the album because it's building up a nice collection. Albums have their own unique artwork. I see downloading copyrighted music as a way of taking down the evil music industry. One that.... A) Promotes WAAAY to much rap B)Gives more exposure to money hungry artists a.k.a. rappers and pop stars C) Controls what music is popular. The band selling music out of their van will never get as much popularity as a Britney Spears. D) Charges too much for CD's Edited November 6, 2003 by jrob8503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I never download anything but bootlegs (live performances and such). I like HAVING the album because it's building up a nice collection. Albums have their own unique artwork. I see downloading copyrighted music as a way of taking down the evil music industry. One that.... A) Promotes WAAAY to much rap B)Gives more exposure to money hungry artists a.k.a. rappers and pop stars C) Controls what music is popular. The band selling music out of their van will never get as much popularity as a Britney Spears. D) Charges too much for CD's That's funny . . . the one's leading the charge against Downloading music aren't rappers . . . it's Metallica and Pearl Jam . . . lol . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 No offence to anyone here (I like hip-hop, but I'm picky), why is rap so popular and broadcasted on channels such as MTV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jrob8503 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 (edited) Metallica and Pearl Jam have fallen into pop rock. They love money just as much as Nelly and Jay-Z. why is rap so popular and broadcasted on channels such as MTV? White suburbanite kids who need another reason to rebel against their parents. Edited November 6, 2003 by jrob8503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 White suburbanite kids who need another reason to rebel against their parents. Exactly. I grew up in the suberb though. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I agree that in a lot of circumstances, downloading music illegally is a sin. I will add that there is greed in the upper eschalons of the music industry, and that in itself is sinful. (Though that doesn't justify downloading illegally.) Copyrights are there for an important reason. On a small scale, they CAN get pretty stupid. Some BIBLES, that's right... BIBLES! have copyrights on them! Can you imagine, quoting too much text from a bible and "violating a copyright"? Anyway -- the cool thing to do is to support internet radio, independant record labels and stores that work with them, and open source software! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Im not sure about music, but as far as software is concerned you are allowed to download ANY software for evaluation only for 30 days, after 30 days you are to either buy it or delete it from your computer. Most software companies will allow you to do a 'trial' run on their software that automatically either stops, or presents a 'nag tag' after your 30 days are up. As far as my situation goes you are correct, its not a survival tactic like stealing bread cuz my kids are hungry. It was merely for career advancement. So I am at fault, I admit. And will take care of it. Curses!! oh one last note on the RIAA..I dont trust them, dont want them, and feel they are no better than a black hat hacker. The way they get into a system that has Kazaa on it would be considered Hacking according to the Federal Government. IF I was to compramise Kazaa in the same way they do in order to see the files that you have on your computer, I would be in jail. Not only do they have access to just Kazaa files, but all the files on your computer. Its an invasion of privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I think the arguments against copying lost the day when beta max and tape recorders and VCRS were invented. Companies should have immediately dropped all the prices so that a high quality copy with no commercial interruptions was cheap, available and better quality than what you could make at home. THe idea that you can download music to make a CD if you own the records/tape/cd etc is really a bad idea for the music industry. I have hundreds of records in my closet, and have owned hundreds that I have sold. By this logic I have the rights to download most of the fifties, sixties and seventies music. Anybody can go to a flea market and pick up an album of just about anybody and them have the right to download it? Once music is broadcas, control over it for private use is lost, just like books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cmom and CAF, Agreed. I don't say I agree with everything the RIAA and MPAA do, rather, it is a law, and until there is another law, that doesn't rule in their favor, there is not much that can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 OK, I've done a bit of research on this myself, and here's the laws that I came up with: Copyright laws originally did not allow private copying of any copyrighted materials. When tape recorders, etc. came out they ended up working out a deal where the companies that create any devices to copy copyrighted work pay a set amount of royalties to the industries to cover copyright costs for personal use. However, computers were not considered copying devices, so the computer companies don't pay these royalties. So, technically, it is illegal to make copies of anything copyrighted using a computer, whether or not you own the CD, etc. HOWEVER, it is not a punishable crime unless you share it with others on a broad scale or profit off of it. So the question becomes, is it is sin if it is against the law but still unpunishable?? I honestly don't know.... Why does copyright law have to be so complicated??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 So if I were to grab a CD from my collection, place it into my CD-ROM, copy the music from it...and use it for personal use...it's illegal and a sin? What really erks me, is this... WHY WOULD Microsoft HAVE A MEDIA PLAYER WHERE YOU CAN COPY MUSIC OFF OF A CD, IF IT'S ILLEGAL? I just don't get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 We need Father pontifex's opinion..im interested to see what a Priest has to say about this.. Fadda Where art thou! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontifex Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I think it is safe to say, that whatever the laws of copyright are, we must follow them as Christians. Regardless of the situation financially or the lack of interest in a group, if it is illegal, than we are crossing a line that we are called not to in the scriptures. We are called to obey the laws of the land. Ask yourself this question, is dowloading a song worth potentially offending God by breaking one of the commandments? Peace to all, Fr. Pontifex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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