dUSt Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn [img]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/img/collegio-cardinalizio/schonborn_c_cpf.jpg[/img] Age: 60 Country: Austria [url="http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/cardinali_biografie/cardinali_bio_schonborn_c_en.html"]BIOGRAPHY[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fides_et_Ratio Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 [img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0898706769.01._PE32_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg[/img] A must read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 He's my personal favorite. He visited our priory (we gave him an honorary degree) and it was one of the high points of my religious life. I have a picture with him and my latin Catechism is signed by him. Sweet. But I think he is too young and there have been some troubles in his Archdiocese. I think he peaked in about 1997 or 1998. Perhaps in another 10 years. Or he could become the next head of the CDF. I think Ratzinger deserves retirement and for some reason, a German-speaker sounds more menacing as the Church's theological enforcer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Cardinal Christoph Schönborn Pros: --Accomplished healer --Talented with liguistics --Considered a brilliant mind in the Vatican --Similar goals as JP2: re-evangelizing Europe, and Church unity between east and west --HIS NAME HAS AN UMLAUT!!!! Let's hear it for the Ö! Cons: --Too young. Give him 10-15 years and he'll have a better shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Too young? That is the lamest excuse for a con I've ever heard for anything in my life. Jesus died for us at 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote] Too young? That is the lamest excuse for a con I've ever heard for anything in my life. Jesus died for us at 33 smile.gif [/quote] right on Bro! This Cardinal is the BADDEST dude on the planet...yall know that he was one of those who had the most influence on the C.C.C. plus he is Dominican...hehehehe, Orthodox! they dont come any better than that! Father Peter, here at school, knows him well. Says he is(this is in my words, since Fathers vocab makes my puney head EXPLODE) ROCKEN HARD CORE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 8 2005, 07:21 PM'] Too young? That is the lamest excuse for a con I've ever heard for anything in my life. Jesus died for us at 33 [/quote] He is younger than 178 of the 183 living Cardinals and younger than 113 of the 117 cardinal electors. So, relatively speaking he is "too young". Christ is not a proper comparison. 33 was not "too young" for him to redeem the world, but 33 is too young, by the Church's rules, to be a permanent deacon. It is also far too young to be bishop of Rome, in modern times (there have been 18 year old popes). However, there has been a shift recently in the thinking of many cardinals. The importance of charisma and communication with the youth have come to the forefront because of the pope's funeral. These considerations might help Schonborn, though some think him too "cold" (there is that Latin/Northern divide). Too young is code for "we don't want another 25 year pontificate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 My Chaplain at the Newman Centre met him when he (my chaplain) was a seminarian. He says that he is an incredible man. He told me that when he speaks to you, he looks so intently into your eyes it is like he is staring at your soul and like you are the only person in the world when he talks to you. Pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 [quote]Christ is not a proper comparison. 33 was not "too young" for him to redeem the world, but 33 is too young, by the Church's rules, to be a permanent deacon. It is also far too young to be bishop of Rome, in modern times (there have been 18 year old popes). However, there has been a shift recently in the thinking of many cardinals. The importance of charisma and communication with the youth have come to the forefront because of the pope's funeral. These considerations might help Schonborn, though some think him too "cold" (there is that Latin/Northern divide).[/quote] hmmmmm, yeah...I would not go with all that jazz if I were you! well, lets see, hmmmm.... 1) you only have to be 26 to be a Catholic Priest....which as you all know is Persona Christi. Which, as you all know, is alittle bit bigger of a responsibility and sacrifice then a Permanent Deacon. 2) were the heck in cannon law, or any Church teaching does it say anything about the age of the Cardinal? Last time I checked the requirement was that you had to be Catholic...hmmm, even a lay man could be. Though that is UNLIKELY! 3)"shift in the thinking of many cardinals" again, BIG problem! It is not the minds of the Cardinal who appoint the new pope, but rather the hearts of the Cardinals. The Holy Spirit chooses the Pope and the Cardinals respond to the Grace and elect him. 4) "Latin/Northern divide"...now I know plenty about Church politics...but I have never heard about that. Perhaps a conservative vs. Libby...but that is usually not a huge dilemma. Most, if not ALL of the Cardinals are there by an act of the Holy Spirit and as such are in a pivotal role. To lead the Church....and who ever is the next pope will have the benefit of infallibility in the area of faith and morals. So she will never stray from the truth, even if a Libby gets in. So that is my shpeal as we say here @ school....take it or leave it. I speak out of Charity and love of the Church, so if I offend in any way, I apologize. oh...and if I over react....get over it, just kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 1. I used the age limit of deacons as an example that the Church has rules regarding age that are unrelated to the age of Christ. The world's youngest bishop is 40. Experience comes with age and we want our leaders to have as much experience as possible (without impaired performance due to age). (BTW, the youngest Cardinal in the 20th century was 38.) 2. Actually, ecclesial law does demand that a cardinal must be a bishop, and if he is not a bishop, he is to be ordained a bishop before he becomes a cardinal. This rule was instituted by John XXIII. So, technically, you are wrong. One must now be at least a priest, and then ordained a bishop. 3. It is good rhetoric but poor anthropology to say that the "hearts" of the cardinals but not the minds will elect the pope. They can and must use the minds God gave them to discern God's will by learning the needs of the Church and the qualities of the candidates. In fact, if you look at JP2's instructions, he cautious against the heart (emotions) and for the head (judgement).: [quote]3. With the same insistence shown by my Predecessors, I earnestly exhort the Cardinal electors not to allow themselves to be guided, in choosing the Pope, by friendship or aversion, or to be influenced by favour or personal relationships towards anyone, or to be constrained by the interference of persons in authority or by pressure groups, by the suggestions of the mass media, or by force, fear or the pursuit of popularity. Rather, having before their eyes solely the glory of God and the good of the Church, and having prayed for divine assistance, they shall give their vote to the person, even outside the College of Cardinals, who in their judgment is most suited to govern the universal Church in a fruitful and beneficial way.[/quote] They are not to be guided by feelings, but by judgement. 4. It is not a matter of Church politics but of basic cultural differences. Northern Europeans are more distant, less emotional, etc. Latins are more emotional, more expressive, more passionate. These are of course stereotypes and generalizations, but there is truth in them. So, when an Italian is looking for a candidate who would be warm and open and charismatic, he might not look to Ratzinger or Schonborn or Lustiger, but to Hummes, Arinze or Tettamanzi. People are products of their culture and different cultures express emotions differently and interpret them differently. Perhaps you should speak more from knowledge and experience than charity and love. Both head and heart are necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 [quote name='follow_the_pelican' date='Apr 9 2005, 06:27 PM'] plus he is Dominican...hehehehe, Orthodox! they dont come any better than that! [/quote] Matthew Fox, author of Magical Mystical Bear and founder of the Creation Spirituality Center was also a Dominican. The sisters who threw their own blood on some missles in Colorado are Dominicans. There are many Dominicans who are not orthodox. I would say Opus Dei or Legionaires would be a better guarantee of orthodoxy nowadays. BTW, before you attack, know that I was a Dominican seminarian for four years, met Schonborn as a fellow Dominican and love the Order dearly. But to be a Dominican is to love Truth above all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Hey Bro, not to sound alittle to...whatever, but what the heck! I was not signing off your errors but rather pointing out the fact that it is not an election...but the Holy Spirit, bottom line. I am sorry you left the Dominicans, what province were you from? Speaking from knowlege and expeirience is what I was doing, however, I did not have the time to perhaps articulate all that needed to be said. I just am filled with angst when people treat this as an "election" were things such as race or emotion have a toll. Because they dont! The Holy Spirit does the work, the Cardinals simply respond to the grace...and WHOOPY, we have a new pope. and dont talk down on the Domincans, even if you were one. They are a spendid order, at least the one in D.C. are. Iam curious as to what you do now, did you join another order or are you finished with the religous life? any who...I think you wasted alot of typing for no real reason other then your pride. We all know the rules and such, I was just tryingt o keep the Spirit involved an such...if you know what I mean, cuz that last post seemed alittle to electiony for my taste. But that is just me, and I could/can be wrong. And yes, you are a Bishop before a pope, DUH! but the Cardinals have the power to elect a lay man, inwhich case he would be ordained before taking the throne of peter. yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 [quote]Actually, ecclesial law does demand that a cardinal must be a bishop, and if he is not a bishop, he is to be ordained a bishop before he becomes a cardinal. This rule was instituted by John XXIII. So, technically, you are wrong. One must now be at least a priest, and then ordained a bishop.[/quote] As far as I know, Avery Cardinal Dulles was a priest when he was named a Cardinal, and remains a priest to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 yeah, your right...I looked it up, and your right. Because a Cardinal is not an ordained position it is a position of honor...that is why it is not a requirment that you be a Cardinal. Love and Peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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