Authors Of The Gospel

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

What does the Church hold to be the true authers of the Gospel. Obviously, the ultimate author is God but did the Apostles write them are people of the same name? Suspicion has been brought up because of the dates that the Gospels were written. What is the Church's stance?

[Paladin D]

What does the Church hold to be the true authers of the Gospel.  Obviously, the ultimate author is God but did the Apostles write them are people of the same name?  Suspicion has been brought up because of the dates that the Gospels were written.  What is the Church's stance?

A man named "Captian John John" wrote them.

[Katholikos]

Most of the NT is anonymous. The Catholic Church added the authors' names as they were known to her through her Sacred Apostolic Tradition.

JMJ Likos

[cmotherofpirl]

Mark was probably first.

Matthew was written in Aramaic, then translated into greek.

Luke wrote Luke and acts as a two part series.

Moderist theologians try say they wern't written until the second century. This way they can argue the apostles made stuff up.

However my Catholic Bible points out that NONE of them mention that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD, so they must have been written BEFORE this event.

John wrote his gospel while exiled on the island of Patmos about 100AD.

[M.SIGGA]

I was taught that each Gospel was named for the Evangelist of the particular community it was written for. Mark was for evangelizing the Romans, Matthew was for common Jews in Israel, Luke was for Syro-Phonecians, and John was written to evangelize the Jews in Jerusalem. Mark and John were also original sources, while Matthew and Luke are connected to Mark by the unknown Q source. They were real people, but the authors of the books we have today was prob a person in their community.

[Paladin D]

So we don't know who exactly wrote some of the NT books?

[M.SIGGA]

Only the Gospels and the Book of Hebrews, but it's pretty safe to say that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John authored the Gospels b/c they were evangelists of their communities; just someone in their community actually wrote them.

[INRIWarrior3]

However my Catholic Bible points out that NONE of them mention that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD, so they must have been written BEFORE this event.

First my credentials for orthodox teaching (Senior Theology Major at Univ. of St. Thomas in Houston. All I'm about to say was taught in Intro. to Sacred Scripture (a freshman course).)

Not true: Mark references the destruction of Solomon's Temple:

Mark 13

John wrote his gospel while exiled on the island of Patmos about 100AD

Not true again:

John the Beloved Disciple writes in Ephesus between 85-95 AD: remember Ephesus is his home and he takes the Blessed Mother with him to Ephesus. John's Gospel is the last. John received the Revelation on Patmos and is the only Apostle to suffer a natural death.

Mark is a disciple of St. Peter and writes in Rome around 68-70 AD. Mark's is first.

Matthew and Luke write somewhere between 75-85 AD.

Matthew the Apostle, writes in the Holy Land because he is a Jew and a Levite at that. His target audience is obviously Jews.

Luke, a disciple of St. Paul, writes in the Greek world (the exact city escapes me, please forgive me). Lukes Gospel is the universal Gospel, i.e., the word is to be spread to the Gentiles also. He also writes Acts which also chronicles his own travels with St Paul.

As for who wrote the books, these are the five methods that were used to make a work in those days:

1)The author wrote it

2)The author dictated to a scribe

3)The author employed a ghost writer

4)The authors followers collected his works and wrote the known work

5)Oral tradition

Edited November 5, 2003 by INRIWarrior3

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I know that they were written by real people in the first century and that their names were inDouche Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I want to know about the traditional view that the Apostle Matthew, the Apostle Mark, and the Apostle John wrote the Gospels.

[INRIWarrior3]

Mark was not an Apostle, he was a disciple of Peter in Rome.

[cmotherofpirl]

First my credentials for orthodox teaching (Senior Theology Major at Univ. of St. Thomas in Houston.  All I'm about to say was taught in Intro. to Sacred Scripture (a freshman course).)

Not true:  Mark references the destruction of Solomon's Temple:

          Mark 13

Not true again:

    John the Beloved Disciple writes in Ephesus between 85-95 AD:  remember Ephesus is his home and he takes the Blessed Mother with him to Ephesus.  John's Gospel is the last.  John received the Revelation on Patmos and is the only Apostle to suffer a natural death.

    Mark is a disciple of St. Peter and writes in Rome around 68-70 AD. Mark's is first.

    Matthew and Luke write somewhere between 75-85 AD.

    Matthew the Apostle, writes in the Holy Land because he is a Jew and a Levite at that.  His target audience is obviously Jews.

    Luke, a disciple of St. Paul, writes in the Greek world (the exact city escapes me, please forgive me).  Lukes Gospel is the universal Gospel, i.e., the word is to be spread to the Gentiles also.  He also writes Acts which also chronicles his own travels with St Paul.

As for who wrote the books, these are the five methods that were used to make a work in those days:

      1)The author wrote it

      2)The author dictated to a scribe

      3)The author employed a ghost writer

      4)The authors followers collected his works and wrote the known work

      5)Oral tradition

:D I'll stick with what the Catholic bible says. :D

[cmotherofpirl]

First my credentials for orthodox teaching (Senior Theology Major at Univ. of St. Thomas in Houston.  All I'm about to say was taught in Intro. to Sacred Scripture (a freshman course).)

Not true:  Mark references the destruction of Solomon's Temple:

        Mark 13

Not true again:

  John the Beloved Disciple writes in Ephesus between 85-95 AD:  remember Ephesus is his home and he takes the Blessed Mother with him to Ephesus.  John's Gospel is the last.  John received the Revelation on Patmos and is the only Apostle to suffer a natural death.

  Mark is a disciple of St. Peter and writes in Rome around 68-70 AD. Mark's is first.

  Matthew and Luke write somewhere between 75-85 AD.

  Matthew the Apostle, writes in the Holy Land because he is a Jew and a Levite at that.  His target audience is obviously Jews.

  Luke, a disciple of St. Paul, writes in the Greek world (the exact city escapes me, please forgive me).  Lukes Gospel is the universal Gospel, i.e., the word is to be spread to the Gentiles also.  He also writes Acts which also chronicles his own travels with St Paul.

As for who wrote the books, these are the five methods that were used to make a work in those days:

      1)The author wrote it

      2)The author dictated to a scribe

      3)The author employed a ghost writer

      4)The authors followers collected his works and wrote the known work

      5)Oral tradition

:D I'll stick with the dates from the Catholic bible :D

[cmotherofpirl]

First my credentials for orthodox teaching (Senior Theology Major at Univ. of St. Thomas in Houston.  All I'm about to say was taught in Intro. to Sacred Scripture (a freshman course).)

Not true:  Mark references the destruction of Solomon's Temple:

          Mark 13

Mark 13 where Jesus prophesied the destruction of the Temple. Nowhere does he say it already happened, does it?

1

1 As he was making his way out of the temple area one of his disciples said to him, "Look, teacher, what stones and what buildings!"

2

Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? There will not be one stone left upon another that will not be thrown down."

3

2 As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple area, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately,

4

"Tell us, when will this happen, and what sign will there be when all these things are about to come to an end?"

5

Jesus began to say to them, "See that no one deceives you.

6

Many will come in my name saying, 'I am he,' and they will deceive many.

7

When you hear of wars and reports of wars do not be alarmed; such things must happen, but it will not yet be the end.

8

Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes from place to place and there will be famines. These are the beginnings of the labor pains.

9

"Watch out for yourselves. They will hand you over to the courts. You will be beaten in synagogues. You will be arraigned before governors and kings because of me, as a witness before them.

10

But the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 3

11

When they lead you away and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say. But say whatever will be given to you at that hour. For it will not be you who are speaking but the holy Spirit.

12

Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; children will rise up against parents and have them put to death.

13

You will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

14

"When you see the desolating abomination standing 4 where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

15

(and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

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and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

17

Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

18

Pray that this does not happen in winter.

19

For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

20

If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

21

If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

22

False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

23

Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

24

"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

25

and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

26

5 And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

27

and then he will send out the angels and gather (his) elect from the four winds, from the end of the earth to the end of the sky.

28

"Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near.

29

In the same way, when you see these things happening, know that he is near, at the gates.

30

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.

31

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

32

"But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

33

Be watchful! Be alert! You do not know when the time will come.

34

It is like a man traveling abroad. He leaves home and places his servants in charge, each with his work, and orders the gatekeeper to be on the watch.

35

Watch, therefore; you do not know when the lord of the house is coming, whether in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning.

36

May he not come suddenly and find you sleeping.

37

What I say to you, I say to all: 'Watch!'"

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Footnotes

1 [1-2] The reconstructed temple with its precincts, begun under Herod the Great ca. 20 B.C., was completed only some seven years before it was destroyed by fire in A.D. 70 at the hands of the Romans; cf Jeremiah 26:18; Matthew 24:1-2. For the dating of the reconstruction of the temple, see further the note on John 2:20.

2 [3-37] Jesus' prediction of the destruction of the temple (Mark 13:2) provoked questions that the four named disciples put to him in private regarding the time and the sign when all these things are about to come to an end (Mark 13:3-4). The response to their questions was Jesus' eschatological discourse prior to his imminent death. It contained instruction and consolation exhorting the disciples and the church to faith and obedience through the trials that would confront them (Mark 13:5-13). The sign is the presence of the desolating abomination (Mark 13:14; see Daniel 9:27), i.e., of the Roman power profaning the temple. Flight from Jerusalem is urged rather than defense of the city through misguided messianic hope (Mark 13:14-23). Intervention will occur only after destruction (Mark 13:24-27), which will happen before the end of the first Christian generation (Mark 13:28-31). No one but the Father knows the precise time, or that of the parousia (Mark 13:32); hence the necessity of constant vigilance (Mark 13:33-37). Luke sets the parousia at a later date, after "the time of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24). See also the notes on Matthew 24:1-25:46.

3 [10] The gospel . . . to all nations: the period of the Christian mission.

4 [14] The participle standing is masculine, in contrast to the neuter at Matthew 24:15.

5 [26] Son of Man . . . with great power and glory: Jesus cites this text from Daniel 7:13 in his response to the high priest, Are you the Messiah? (Mark 14:61). In Exodus 34:5; Lev 16:2; and Numbers 11:25 the clouds indicate the presence of the divinity. Thus in his role of Son of Man, Jesus is a heavenly being who will come in power and glory.

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[INRIWarrior3]

Okay forget everything i said about Mark 13. I was wrong (please forgive me cmom). It's late, I've been doing philosophy all evening so my mind is drained theologically. But I will let theWord vindicate me here. It is in Matthew's gospel that Matthew just barely hints at the past destruction of the Temple (Mt 23) though he writes obviously in the present tense. Matthew wrote his gospel between 85 and 95 A.D. (my dating was off 5 years both ways earlier in my posts, again forgive me its late) so the destruction has happened already. This particular parable is from the Q ("Quelle" German, "Source" English) source , i.e., the material Luke and Matthew have in common. Matthew is a Jewish Levite tax collector prior to his disciplship so it is only fitting that he would slightly address (because by this time Christians felt no connection to the Temple becuase the Old Covenant had been fulfilled in Christ) the destruction of the Temple because his target audience is Jews, his ethnic people. Here's the foot note:

This parable is from Q. It has been given many allegorical traits by Matthew, e.g., the burning of the city of the guests who refused the invitation, which corresponds to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. (NAB on Mt 22)

New American Bible. Thomas Nelson Inc. 1987

Once again I'm sorry for my error and would be ashamed of myself but I am human and it certaintly is late. My apologies cmom. Peace.

INRIWarrior3

[Theologian in Training]

Okay forget everything i said about Mark 13.  I was wrong (please forgive me cmom).  It's late, I've been doing philosophy all evening so my mind is drained theologically.  But I will let theWord vindicate me here.  It is in Matthew's gospel that Matthew just barely hints at the past destruction of the Temple (Mt 23) though he writes obviously in the present tense.  Matthew wrote his gospel between 85 and 95 A.D. (my dating was off 5 years both ways earlier in my posts, again forgive me its late) so the destruction has happened already.  This particular parable is from  the Q ("Quelle" German, "Source" English) source , i.e., the material Luke and Matthew have in common.  Matthew is a Jewish Levite tax collector prior to his disciplship so it is only fitting that he would slightly address (because by this time Christians felt no connection to the Temple becuase the Old Covenant had been fulfilled in Christ) the destruction of the Temple because his target audience is Jews, his ethnic people.  Here's the foot note:

This parable is from Q.  It has been given many allegorical traits by Matthew, e.g., the burning of the city of the guests who refused the invitation, which corresponds to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. (NAB on Mt 22)

New American Bible.  Thomas Nelson Inc. 1987

Once again I'm sorry for my error and would be ashamed of myself but I am human and it certaintly is late.  My apologies cmom.  Peace.

INRIWarrior3

Your a seminarian, aren't you? ;)