jasJis Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 This was an old thread some time ago and people looked up copyright laws. Generally, it's allowable to copy CD's to use in devices that belong to the household. Ownership is considered for the entity of the household and use is allowed for devices owned or accessible to members of the household. Multiple copies within the househod are okay as back-ups and convenient use by the members of the household. Morally it doesn't seem like it's okay to call it a gift when you give your sister a copy so she can listen to it on her own as a seperate ownership, but it doesn't mean she can't listen to a copy it on her stereo when you listen in your car. It's a little gray, but morally, it shouldn't be as an official 'gift'. Making a mix CD for someone in your household is different and can be considered a gift. The gift is your time and effort to select songs that the person would enjoy. It's legal the household owns copies of the songs or they were taped off the radio. It's illegal if they are copied from originals owned by other households or other households have taped them off the radio. It's not legal to burn a CD or make a mix for your sibling or relative that lives in their own household. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Mar 30 2005, 04:53 AM'] The problem is when purchasing items for your use (anything really goes here, even houses) they can be shared witha nyone you want to. [/quote] It counts on who it is first off. If its your mom or someone in the same household, there's no point in buying another cd and I know the artist would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 yea...what they said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 wow... mixture of opinion. i backup stuff onto my computer.. make mixes... and occasionally backup cd's if i want to keep the original in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 If by copying it, the artist is deprived of just revinue, it is wrong. So say I. Unless you have the artists's permission to do so. OTOH, it's nice to make collections of songs, like a theme-based tape or whatever, with many artsists' material (a single song or two by whatever artist), and give [i]that [/i]away...but I wouldn't feel right about it unless the copy I made the individual songs from was mine and paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 The problem is, that if they wanted to keep their money, they would first lower the cost of their CD's, and they would make them so you could not copy them. Seeing as they have not done this, they arent too concerned about it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Just [i]loan [/i]it, if it's something you really want the person to hear? Libraries do this, it should be ok if even the person wanted to check it out of your library multiple times a year. jas, whaddaya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i feel like im taking crzy pills Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Well, you guys kinda make me feel bad because I burn a lot of CDs. I burn copies for my brother, and then I burn copies for my friends. When I get CDs from the library, I even go and copy those. I mean, I feel bad that the artist doesn't get paid for all those copied CDs, but it's just so easy to copy CDs. When you buy a computer these days, it is very likely that it will have a CD burner on it. And it is so easy to just go to the store and pick up a package of blank CDs. I know it's wrong, it's just so [i]easy[/i].. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Once you buy a CD, the songs on that CD are yours to listen to. I don't think backing it up or putting it into a different format is bad, but definately exploiting that ability to share with friends or to sell is wrong. They should have to buy their own from the artist themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 we like to eat, and our babies like diapers. that's the underlying reality here... according to Church teaching, workers deserve a just wage for their work. If you feel that something is not worth the price it costs, then that's exactly what you've decided. Not to own it because it's not worth what it costs. That's not a reason to steal. As far as artists/labels making CDs impossible to duplicate, they've tried. Indie and smalltime artists like myself can't afford to invest in technology because (imagine it) we aren't making enough money to pay our bills much less up the ante on technology. If someone just CAN'T afford a CD, I'll give them one, but if they just don't WANT to buy one and steal it, that's pretty bogus. Just remember the tummies and bottoms of artists and their families... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 That all being said, all I have in my car are backups of the CDs I own, tucked safely in my closet at home. That's a justifiable reason to copy music, but very rarely the actual reason people do it. Of course, now I'm a Rhapsody addict and hate leaving my computer when I want to listen to tunage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Mar 31 2005, 04:21 PM'] we like to eat, and our babies like diapers. that's the underlying reality here... according to Church teaching, workers deserve a just wage for their work. If you feel that something is not worth the price it costs, then that's exactly what you've decided. Not to own it because it's not worth what it costs. That's not a reason to steal. As far as artists/labels making CDs impossible to duplicate, they've tried. Indie and smalltime artists like myself can't afford to invest in technology because (imagine it) we aren't making enough money to pay our bills much less up the ante on technology. If someone just CAN'T afford a CD, I'll give them one, but if they just don't WANT to buy one and steal it, that's pretty bogus. Just remember the tummies and bottoms of artists and their families... [/quote] Major props, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Mar 31 2005, 02:21 PM'] we like to eat, and our babies like diapers. that's the underlying reality here... according to Church teaching, workers deserve a just wage for their work. If you feel that something is not worth the price it costs, then that's exactly what you've decided. Not to own it because it's not worth what it costs. That's not a reason to steal. As far as artists/labels making CDs impossible to duplicate, they've tried. Indie and smalltime artists like myself can't afford to invest in technology because (imagine it) we aren't making enough money to pay our bills much less up the ante on technology. If someone just CAN'T afford a CD, I'll give them one, but if they just don't WANT to buy one and steal it, that's pretty bogus. Just remember the tummies and bottoms of artists and their families... [/quote] I dont mean small time artists. I can understand why the CD's cost what they do. I am talking about big artists that people are most likely to copy. They can afford to lower their prices, and to make their CD's copy proof. If you can afford to get married and divorced 18 times, have a giant house, lots of cars, then you can afford to lower your CD cost to $5-$7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 most major artists don't see a cent from their recordings until they've sold absurd numbers of their product. you're only hurting people who love music, because if the numbers aren't up, then the number of people able to record will decrease in turn. the real money's in merch... speaking of, i so wish i'd thought of this first: [img]https://www3.securevaults.com/~justinmc/justinmcroberts.com/images/store/burned_small.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Ok, so let's throw a twist into the question.... Let's say I buy a cd, I burn myself a copy and then sell the original cd. Is this wrong? I own the songs, and I paid the royalty. Another twist.... Let's say I buy a used cd. Is this wrong? I have not paid a royalty, but yet I now have the songs. Just like when a cd is copied the artist doesn't get a royalty, and I have the cd. Is this morally different from copying a cd illegally? How so? I agree that we shouldn't steal music via illegal copying, but I'm curious on everyone's thoughts/moral theories surrounding the buying and selling of used CDs....I've often wondered how we can justify one act, but not the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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