Jaime Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I wasn't the one who originally posted the question that you failed to answer. But I would like to see what the answer is. As far as my arguments. Give me a break. I have provided the proper resources to show you where you are in error. You either ignore them or say "well that's not right". My arguments are in fine shape. [quote]Will your demand for my biography and a question about the interpretation of 81 scripture passages soon follow?[/quote] No need. You've consistently shown a "cliff notes" understanding of the Church on every topic. That's enough of a resume. However that has nothing to do with belief. Transubstantiation does. You think its an unfair question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 [quote name='LittleLes' date='Mar 25 2005, 04:17 PM']Yes, apologists try the "discipline" rather than "doctrine" argument, when the doctrine is proven to be absurd. It's a very predictable defense. Or else, when they have no valid rebuttal, they lapse into the inquistitional mode. Is that what you are trying, Archangel? And sorry, Yiannii, One only has to follow the truth to be Catholic. Not the "party line." For example, I don't really have to burn heretics at the stake to prove orthodoxy. Do you? Little Les[/quote] You also have a very predictable defense: You like to lump doctrine and discipline together. You ridicule Catholics as following a "party-line". It seems you like to follow the beat of your own drum ... a "loner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Do you believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hi Archangel and hot stuff, If you want to start a separate discussion on the origins of the Eucharist and its historical development, please start a separate thread and we'll do it. We'll examine the Eucharist's precursors, earlier pagan equivalents, scripture, and the writings of the Fathers. And of course, the evolution and logic of the concept of transubstanciation. CAS, of course, will have a hissy-fit! LittleLes But I don't do inquisitions, questionaires, or 81 questions. As Berne tells us, "When you encounter players, refuse to play!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 [quote name='LittleLes' date='Mar 26 2005, 03:44 PM'] Hi Archangel and hot stuff, If you want to start a separate discussion on the origins of the Eucharist and its historical development, please start a separate thread and we'll do it. We'll examine the Eucharist's precursors, earlier pagan equivalents, scripture, and the writings of the Fathers. And of course, the evolution and logic of the concept of transubstanciation. CAS, of course, will have a hissy-fit! LittleLes But I don't do inquisitions, questionaires, or 81 questions. As Berne tells us, "When you encounter players, refuse to play!" [/quote] A simple yes or no will suffice if you believe in the Real Presence. Or is that too much to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Yep, Archangel, Short answers can be misleading. "Did you on the night in question, or at any time previosuly or subsequently, make, cause to be made, or consider making a statement to the effect alleged or implied by the third witness to testify last Friday? Answer yes or no!" But here's a question about the Eucharist we might examine if you want to start a thread on the Eucharist: Were there Eucharistic celebrations before Jesus time? LittleLes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 [quote name='LittleLes' date='Mar 27 2005, 01:24 AM']Yep, Archangel, Short answers can be misleading. "Did you on the night in question, or at any time previosuly or subsequently, make, cause to be made, or consider making a statement to the effect alleged or implied by the third witness to testify last Friday? Answer yes or no!" But here's a question about the Eucharist we might examine if you want to start a thread on the Eucharist: Were there Eucharistic celebrations before Jesus time? LittleLes[/quote] What's so hard about answering "yes" or "no" if you are Roman Catholic? There are foreshadowings of the Eucharistic Sacrifice in the OT. Jesus Christ fulfilled them by instituting the Sacrament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 [quote]CAS, of course, will have a hissy-fit![/quote] I assume that you mean me. My nic is C-A-M. It really is offensive when you misspell names, brother Littleles. I won't have a "hissy-fit." I will simply prove you wrong, like I have been doing all along. Cam C-A-M N.B. I think that we need to discuss Lonergan first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Sure CAM, Concisely (and without cutting and pasting) state your assertion about Lonergan and then, if applicable, cite your evidence. LittleLes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 [quote]Concisely (and without cutting and pasting) state your assertion about Lonergan and then, if applicable, cite your evidence[/quote] Respond to the post. Others seem to be able to. Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Since this really isn't a debate and is rather a topic best resolved through personal messages or emails, I'm shutting down this thread. It seems to be getting too antagonistic on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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