Freemasonary

[Timothy]

Please list your comments below

[StPiusVPrayForUs]

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks, they are excommunicated and are trying to destroy the Catholic faith from within and outside our churches.

Edited March 18, 2005 by StPiusVPrayForUs

[Aloysius]

From a "PhatMass Church Faitfhul" point of view SPVPrayForUs is absolutely correct.

Freemasonry is the enemy of the Divine Catholic Faith. Any Catholic who joins a lodge is automatically excommunicated under the 1983 Code of Canon Law (even though it does not specify as does the 1917 one, it does not realease the 1917 proscription of excommunication against hte freemasons and does say that the joining of a non-Catholic religion is excommunicable.)

[Lil Red]

here's a good source for questions about freemasonary...this guy used to be a freemason:

[url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html[/url]

[Guest JeffCR07]

The Freemasons were founded to undermine the Holy Mother Church, and thus Freemasonry is to be deplored. Not to mention the automatic excommunication that comes along with it.

[MC Just]

they the true satanists.

[Cam42]

I really don't feel like being excommunicated thanks.

Cam

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

Freemassonmry is forbidden by the Pope and Catholicism, because of its worship of false gods, and indefference to relegion and relegious symbolys. I am strongly agianst freemassonry. In American during the late 19th and early 20th centuries they had strong connections to the KKK. Today they have goals of world domination, and the destruction of Roman Catholicism. they are anti-catholic bigots.

[MC Just]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 18 2005, 10:42 PM'] Freemassonmry is forbidden by the Pope and Catholicism, because of its worship of false gods, and indefference to relegion and relegious symbolys. I am strongly agianst freemassonry. In American during the late 19th and early 20th centuries they had strong connections to the KKK. Today they have goals of world domination, and the destruction of Roman Catholicism. they are anti-catholic bigots. [/quote]
Well put, i'm tired of people saying they are just a fraternal order at odds with christianity. They are so much more. and evil.

[MC Just]

double post.

Edited March 19, 2005 by MC Just

[Apotheoun]

The following is a declaration from the Holy See on membership in Masonic groups:

[quote name='The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith'][b]DECLARATION ON MASONIC ASSOCIATIONS[/b]

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church’s decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code.

This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance in due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 1981 pp. 240-241; English language edition of L’Osservatore Romano, 9 March 1981).

In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983.


Joseph Card. RATZINGER
Prefect

+ Fr. Jerome Hamer, O.P.
Titular Archbishop of Lorium
Secretary[/quote]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html"]Vatican Website - Declaration on Masonic Associations[/url]

[toledo_jesus]

Freemasons...They are problematic. They've toned down their message now, and I know Catholics who sense no conflict in belonging to the group. Perhaps at a local level it is not even expressly anti-Catholic...but the organization is against the Church and any Catholic member of that organization should leave it, and go to confession. It's pretty clear that if they do not they will be excommunicated.

[Antonius]

I will never join the group, because I don't need to and the Pope says nope anyway.

However, my neighbor is a Freemason, but I find no problems with him. He was the Chief of Police of our town and he's one of the nicest guys around. A little cooky sometimes, and he likes to drink, but he always helps us out around the house. He's a Methodist, so I don't know if his minister ever talked to him about being a Mason. He never says anything against the Church.

The most I heard him comment about religion was Christmas Eve when he was trying to remember how many brothers and sisters Jesus had. My mother told him that if you're Catholic Jesus didn't have any brothers and sisters. Now, that comment could be made by any Protestant and isn't anti-Catholic in the least.

My question is, how are we to act towards Freemasons? After my experience with my neighbor, I would just be kind and Christian toward them, like anyone else. We have a good friendship with him, and I'm not about to ruin it by going over to his house and telling him he's a satanist.

[Fidei Defensor]

Well, In the case of your neighbor, since he's a methodist, I would ask questions like "what does God say about following Him, and only Him? Are other religions besides Christianity the true religion?" If you dont know their religion, I would find out and aproach them that way.

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Antonius' date='Mar 20 2005, 12:45 PM'] My question is, how are we to act towards Freemasons? After my experience with my neighbor, I would just be kind and Christian toward them, like anyone else. We have a good friendship with him, and I'm not about to ruin it by going over to his house and telling him he's a satanist. [/quote]
We are called to behave as Christians towards everyone. I found the easiest way to approach Freemasons is not to be apprehensive. Keep in mind they are a secret society, and many in the lower ranks are not aware of what truly lies behind the society's public front. Most are blisfully unaware of what they are getting into. I would casually bring certain topics up in discussion, such as speaking about the faith the Methodists and Catholics can share, and then move on from there. Establish some common ground that you both agree on first. Just remember, Charity is the virtue that Christians are to eximplify towards all.