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[Honour]

Hmmm. If my beliefs as a protestant are correct...I am going to heaven, and nothing can change that. If Catholicism is right and I, after having searched, turn away from the Church am going to go to hell...Well it looks like being Catholic is a no lose situation, while being protestant could have eternal reprecussions.
I know that ultimately what I believe must be becuase I believe it is the absolute truth, not just to "cover all my bases" but I can't help it if this is how I think sometimes.

[Aloysius]

SPVPrayForUs, I 100% agree with all the quotes you just provided yet still understand that this sin of remaining outside the True Church like all mortal sins kills the grace of the man who is CULPABLE for this sin. You know all about culpability, correct? For some reason, however, people like you never even think to apply culpability to this. People are condemned to hell for culpable mortal sin. it is a mortal sin to remain outside of the One True Church which is necessary for salvation. Is the person culpable for it? That is for God to judge upon the person's death.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Honour' date='Mar 18 2005, 10:46 PM'] Hmmm. If my beliefs as a protestant are correct...I am going to heaven, and nothing can change that. If Catholicism is right and I, after having searched, turn away from the Church am going to go to hell...Well it looks like being Catholic is a no lose situation, while being protestant could have eternal reprecussions.
I know that ultimately what I believe must be becuase I believe it is the absolute truth, not just to "cover all my bases" but I can't help it if this is how I think sometimes. [/quote]
that's human nature. in the act of contrition we say we are sorry because we "fear the loss of heaven and the pains of hell" but MOST OF ALL because we have offended Him, Our God, who is all good and deserving of all our love. Christ knows we are imperfect and that our intentions are not always perfect. But just like Pascal's wager is a starting point towards theism, this wager can be a starting point towards Catholocism. The Church is what Christ instituted for the purpose of saving men. It is the only thing that exists on this planet you can look to for His Salvation.

[cmotherofpirl]

THis is open mic, not debate, so its getting moved. And if it starts catholic vs catholic, it willl be closed.

[Honour]

oh bummer...well debate table is kinda scary. I have to form arguments :thinking: from suffiecnt reasons, actually know what I'm talking about, refer to a bunch of books I haven't read yet...I prefer to just open my mouth and let stuff spill out...my brain hurts already...and I bet you are even upset that you have to read a post like this in Debate table.... are emoticons even allowed in here? :nono:

[Brother Adam]

Anyone can take something which is infallible out of context StPius. Protestants do it all the time with the Bible. If you do not understand something with the intent the Church teaches it with, then it becomes your own personal heresy.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='mamasboy1210' date='Mar 17 2005, 08:21 PM'] People keep telling me that the church is wrong becuause if your not a Catholic you can not go to heaven. Im not sure. I love my faith but I believe if your a christian you go to heaven and if you live a good life you can go to heaven. [/quote]
Any man who knows that membership in the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation, and who then either fails to become Catholic, or if he is already a Catholic, fails to remain in communion with the Church, cannot be saved.

Now, if a man, through no fault of his own, is ignorant of the true religion, but still cooperates with the graces he is given, which necessarily flow to him from the Catholic Church, he [i]may[/i] be saved inspite of his ignorance. In this situation, his salvation is still a gift of God in Christ and through the Catholic Church even though he is invincibly ignorant of this fact.

[Guest JeffCR07]

amen