Praying For The Dead

[Monica]

James G. McCarthy is an Anti-Catholic. Enough said. 

Monica, you are on the right track.  Keep the thoughts and reflections coming! I know it can be tough with school AND this!!!!  B)

I give you props, b/c takes alot of time just to read! (Which is why I procrasinate in almost everything! )

I said this article expresses perfectly what i believe about purgatory. I'm asking you what you think.

Saying it's anti-catholic won't make the points in it go away.

Ya know what I'm sayin'??

[littleflower+JMJ]

careful.

im a black belt.

in religion that is.

:P

[jmjtina]

I said this article expresses perfectly what i believe about purgatory. I'm asking you what you think.

If it expresses what you perfectly believe about purgatory it is perfectly anti-catholic.

back to square one. :lol:

Edited November 2, 2003 by jmjtina

[Monica]

I said before that i was vrought up in a very anti-catholic community, and that it's hard to shake off. It's reflected in my beliefs.

[littleflower+JMJ]

I said before that i was vrought up in a very anti-catholic community, and that it's hard to shake off. It's reflected in my beliefs.

its okay. many of us had to fight thru anti-catholic slob.......in fact thats what we're doing right now! :D

we're proof that one can learn the catholic side of things!

and find the truth!!

;)

[jmjtina]

What do I think? The point is that it is anti-Catholic. translation: Full of lies.

Adapted from The Gospel According to Rome by James G. McCarthy, Harvest House Publishers, © 1995.

This book is written by a famous Catholic Hater.

Saying it's anti-catholic won't make the points in it go away

There are no points if they are outright lies.

:ph34r:

Ninja Vanish!

[jmjtina]

I said before that i was vrought up in a very anti-catholic community, and that it's hard to shake off. It's reflected in my beliefs.

No prob, bob.

thank you Monica. You keep asking and we'll keep answering. We want you to know the TRUTH about our faith, not some evil lie. Again, I would like to stress it isn't about your opinion vs. our opinion, but Truth.

:ph34r:

Ninja Vanish! (adapted from a Bruce Lee movie!)

Edited November 2, 2003 by jmjtina

[cmotherofpirl]

Wait til morning when we are more awake :)

[ironmonk]

Monica,

Please read my page that I have dedicated to Ian Paisley...

http://www.ianpaisley.net

Again, please go up and read my entire post.

You've been told wrong about Purgatory.

If purgatory does not exist then the bible is worthless because it's in the bible, and it was taught by the Jews, and it was believed by every Christian until after the deformation.

God Bless, Your Servant in Christ

ironmonk

Edited November 2, 2003 by ironmonk

[Uncle Gus]

Monica, with the greatest respect, I suggest you try to learn what Catholics believe from Catholics.

[littleflower+JMJ]

Monica, with the greatest respect, I suggest you try to learn what Catholics believe from Catholics.

MEGA ditto

[Anna]

Monica, with the greatest respect, I suggest you try to learn what Catholics believe from Catholics.

Would you like someone who wants to know what Christians believe to ask it of an anti-Christian?

If you had questions about the Jewish faith, would you ask an anti-Semite?

Read for yourself, rather than letting your understanding be poisoned with someone else's biases.

[Anna]

....I think and ponder over stuff, too, Monica.....

I've been thinking about this question of yours:

Would an honest, loving God offer you eternal life as a free gift - then make you suffer to earn it - then lie about it in His Word?

Wow. Is that what you think God is doing? Telling us one thing, then doing another? Sometimes protestants seem to read parts of Scripture, and not look at it as a whole.

Lots of parents promise their children things, and follow through, at the right time. God knows when the time is right.

I happened upon this, which illustrates how God thinks a father should treat his children,

Hebrews 12:

7

Endure your trials as "discipline"; God treats you as sons. For what "son" is there whom his father does not discipline?

8

If you are without discipline, in which all have shared, you are not sons but bastards.

9

Besides this, we have had our earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them. Should we not (then) submit all the more to the Father of spirits and live?

10

They disciplined us for a short time as seemed right to them, but he does so for our benefit, in order that we may share his holiness.

11

At the time, all discipline seems a cause not for joy but for pain, yet later it brings the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who are trained by it.

12

So strengthen your drooping hands and your weak knees.

I think this refutes the "free ride" interpretation of the gift which Christ freely gave to us. Free doesn't mean necessarily that we don't have to suffer for our sins, but free that Christ wasn't forced into becoming man and choosing death--death on a cross!

Pax Christi. <><

[Theologian in Training]

Ok, things are starting to make sense....Monica, as many others have stated, if you wish to know about the Catholic Church, honestly and fundamentally you have to stop hiding behind all of these things you have read. By doing so, you are allowing your beliefs of the Church be understood through the fiddler of others, mostly those who are adamant Anti-Catholics. If I were to understand what someone else believes I would read from them what they believe. For example, if I sought to understand Buddhism, I would speak to Buddhists, listen to them, entertain questions, read the Dhammapada, etc. I would not say, well this person, whom I might add, does not like Buddhists said....Rather, I would say, in my research I learned that Buddhists believe in reincarnation, what does this entail?

The way you seem to be approaching the matter is by saying, I believe this, show me why I shouldn't believe this. That is the wrong way of approaching the issue, because it puts the weight of the burden on us, when it is the Holy Spirit who will help you believe. We can merely show you the tools and help you understand our interpretations of the teachings of the Church, but we cannot, under any circumstances make you believe what we say is right, because, quite simply, we are not God. We are creatures of a Creator, an ant before the cross, workers in the harvest.

Perhaps in your struggle to understand you might give the Catechism of the Catholic Church a chance, or even a document or two of Vatican II. You don't need to fiddler it, look at it in view of someone else, just read it. If you have questions, that is good, it means you want to understand, but if you run and try to hide behind this or that person who has his/her own interpretation of the Church, then your sincerity in really wanting to understand becomes questionable. Before we can help you, you have to be willing to tell us what you believe, not what you believe filtered through what someone else believes. It is you who are curious, not the person you quote.

If you have sincere questions, and wish to speak about them openly, honestly, and candidly, the go ahead, but if you all you are looking for is how we refute your arguments, then we are both spinning our wheels.

That said, before you approach anything, precede it with prayer. The Holy Spirit is the reason for any intelligence you see on this board, and I think it would be safe to say that no one would refute that. Therefore, He can help you in your own understanding as well. Pray for His assistance; precede all things with prayer. Like I said before, we are not God, and so we cannot convert you, we are intruments of His grace. If you wish to hear those intruments play, then by all means, pose questions, but if all you want is to hear music play, then I suggest you buy the Massmatics CD

God Bless

[BLAZEr]

Thank You, TheoinTraining. I've been praying for a way to say exactly what you just said. God Answered my prayer, that way is you! Peace be with you.