dairygirl4u2c Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 sorry for the misleading title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Only if the Man Who founded the Catholic Church could be wrong. In other words, no, nunca, nyet, nein... (What's in your wallet?!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 This is an ubsurd topic. You are on a Catholic board. :shootme: Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 [quote name='Anna' date='Mar 9 2005, 03:58 PM'] Only if the Man Who founded the Catholic Church could be wrong. In other words, no, nunca, nyet, nein... (What's in your wallet?!!) [/quote] lol, nice one Anna!!! (good to see you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 If the Church is wrong, Christ is wrong. If Christ is wrong, then nothing is right. Without God, there is nothing, and there will be nothing. So, I cannot accept that the Church is wrong. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 10, 2005 Author Share Posted March 10, 2005 [quote]If the Church is wrong, Christ is wrong.[/quote] Why does the church being wrong mean that Christ is wrong? I believe in Christ, yet I acknowledge that he could be wrong.. that is, he could be my false hope. I still have faith. I don't understand how none of you can think that way, it seems unhealthy. Do you all think that I don't have faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 (edited) Faith doesn't dictate that Christ is probably right. It dictates that Christ IS right. It doesn't dictate that Christ is most likely not wrong, it dictates that he ISN'T wrong. So yes to have Faith in Christ is to not allow any other options to exist. How you achieve that point in your life can be different; through another's example, through theology, through being open to God in your prayer and He pointing you to the Truth, whatever it maybe. However, to say that Jesus could be wrong is unhealthy, sinc eit's a half-foot in, half-foot out situation. God bless, Mikey Edit : The Church is Christ's Body, if it is wrong, then Christ is wrong, since the Body and the Head cannot disagree, as they are not just One in Christ, but are Christ. Edited March 10, 2005 by MichaelFilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 9 2005, 07:39 PM'] I believe in Christ, yet I acknowledge that he could be wrong.. that is, he could be my false hope. Do you all think that I don't have faith? [/quote] You have a very different understanding of faith. Or maybe your faith is "kinda" faith. If you acknowledge that you could be wrong and that He in whom you place your faith could be false... well, that's not faith at all. That is more like a hunch or a leaning, or perhaps a strong guess. It is certainly not faith. It is certainly not the faith that can move mountains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Argent Paladin put into words what most of us wanted to say. Thank you AP. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 I'm not sure on this one. As much as I'd like to say, 'No The Church is never never never wrong.' I can't quite. I also find it interesting that most people who have responded refuse to question whether The Church can be wrong, but expect people of other religions to question it. Each person who is not Catholic is free to question the validity of their religion and it's relationship with Christ, but we are not because we are right? That is how we convert people; we ask them to examine their church and hope they determine that it is wrong. "Test [i]everything[/i]; retain what is good." 2 Thessalonians 5:21 Be willing to question your own church because it is the only way you'll be able to difinately say is is or is not ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 I would say that the Church is not wrong. One because that Church is the faithful and not the hierarchy in Rome. Please keep that in mind. It was the faithful, not the bishops, who saved the Church from that Arian Heresy. Two, because the Church only commits error when it is not the Church. To explain: the Church we believe is guided by the Holy Spirit (Pentecost), and was founded on the crucifixion (flowing of water and blood). If the Church is not following the guidance of the Holy Spirit (the selling of indulgences) then it is not functioning as the Body of Chirst, which is what the Church is. I would also have to agree with allowing the fact that Christ could be "false hope." Remember the answer to the heresies and the Council of Nicea ( i think)? If Christ did not die on the cross, our hope is in vain. One must believe he was correct in all things to believe he was correct in any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Christ wasnt/isnt,never will be wrong and the same goes for his church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 My point is more closely that I believe in Christ and what He says, but I will admit that sometimes people can mess it up. I'm not saying the Church is always in error, but that we as faithful need to be able to question things so that we stay true to form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiclesis Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 The poll question is a non-starter. Wrong about what? Catholic Church? Royal Crown Cola? It could be the wrong choice, I guess... depends on what kind of sandwich you're having with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Well, that depends.... I am willing to entertain the possibility that the Catholic Church is wrong in making the Swiss Guards wear those multicolored outfits with the puffy pants. (My apologies to any Swiss Guards who may visit the phorum). I am also willing to say the Church may have been a bit premature in naming Henry VIII "Defender of the Faith." As for actual tenets of the faith...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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