Juvenile Murderers

[Crusader_4]

An interesting stat that no one has pointed out is that areas that have the death penalty often have higher crime rates than areas that have abolished the death penalty. It actually does not deter crime, as many clear thinking people believe. As well it seems to much like vigilante justice taking a life for a life an eye for an eye. It is much better if you can correct and set the murderer on the straight and narrow after his crime (especially for his eternal soul). I am the first to admit that the Death Penalty can be used but it should only be used when by keeping a person alive he will definatly endanger the common good. In most western countries this is not going to occur.

[Winchester]

We aren't talking about children, we're talking about legal minors. That's up until you cross over 18. That's not a child, that's an adult who can't vote or buy beer.

A fifteen year old who during his gang initiation kicks in the skull of a fiteen year old girl knowswhat he was doing. if he didn't then he's simply too dangerous to leave in common society. The law cannot concern itself too much with intent, it has to go by danger level. I am not less dead or raped if the criminal is under an arbitrarily set age.

Cmom, Thanks for pointing out that prison does not have some magical ability to stop killing. I wonder who these la la land people are who think life in prison is some kind of wondrous act of mercy. Killers kill, and when they get into prison, where they can hone their bodies with the nice recreation equipment paid for by people who don't kill, they get pretty good at putting the hurt on thos smaller than they. Ask a prison rape victim if sexual predators should be put to death.

THINK, people.

The Pontiff can have his opinion. I can have mine. It ain't an article of faith, so don't impugn my Catholicity. No one exists to magically protect us from criminals. Cops arrest, they don't prevent. They draw a pretty chalk outline around your bloody corpse, or the techs swab for DNA on you, your wife or your child (a real child; a VICTIM) and then a defense attorney tries to prove you had it coming, anyway. I've seen defense attorney argue a 6 year old was a "seductress" in an attempt to get a molester cleared. You know what? It sometimes works. Why? Because some simpering wuss is suckered in by a sob story. With carp like that, people get back out on the street all the time. All it takes is one bleeding heart who thinks the guy deserves another chance. The more time these creeps spend alive, the more chance they have to make more victims. Give 'em 90 days and a turn in the confessional. If it works, they ride the lightning to the Pearly Gates and have an eternity of bliss. If it doesn't, then at least there's less people taking psych meds to deal with the emotional scarring resulting from being a victim.

[Winchester]

Crusader,

Who is this theoretical reformed killer moving in next to? You? You gonna leave your fam at home while you go off to work with a killer next door?

You feel welcome to take that chance any time. I don't go to Vegas for the same reason.

[Guest Eremite]

[quote]You gonna leave your fam at home while you go off to work with a killer next door?[/quote]

Funny. I don't remember the Corinthians fearing that the murderer of Christians, Saul of Tarsus, was coming to visit them.

[Winchester]

Yeah, the majority of killers were acting in good faith on behalf of their God and experienced a life altering bolt from the sky, were then healed by a miracle and then went about preaching Christianity.

"I'm not an idiot, but I play one on Phatmass..."

NEXT

[Winchester]

Oh, and let me add this in: I'm also advocating the execution of rapists and pedophiles.

And no, I don't want them living next door to me or my wife or my two year old daughter when they get let out by someone willing to gamble on their lives. Believe me, if that ever makes one of my family a victim, I'll be looking for the parole board, too. They'll have to see what their compassion cost someone.

Gamble with your family; I take enough risks in my line of work for my entire family.

[Winchester]

Another thing, to be a responsible Catholic:

You can't make preemptive strikes with abandon and remain in the moral side of things. Revenge is wrong.

I advocate making certain crimes capital because certain types of criminals do not reform ith any reliability and the stakes are extremely high. Molested children often develop serious mental illness; they also pass the abuse along. Molestors don't just stop. In fact, they have formed an effective network (NAMBLA.) Rapists don't stop, and they often progress until they become murderers. These people are too dangerous to allow in society, and many are too dangerous to the prison population to allow in prison.

High crime rate and death penalty is probably a false corrollary.

[Guest Eremite]

*sigh*

Forget it.

Edited March 11, 2005 by Eremite

[Winchester]

Stand bold or don't stand.

You want to compare Saul to a punk who raped and murdered a girl? Let's remain somewhere in the realm of logic, here.

You realize that some criminals run their organizations while still in prison, ordering moves that continue to cause death? You realize they continue their crimes in prison, against other prisoners? This isn't clean and it isn't pretty. It;s not a matter of showing them Jesus and WHAMMO, they're choir boys. I've cleaned up plenty of blood spilled by "reformed" criminals, and the dead have never, ever looked less dead for the expirements people like you are willing to let loose on the unsuspecting public. Actions have consequences; I'm merely advocating the guilty get them to a greater extent.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Mar 11 2005, 01:26 AM']
Funny. I don't remember the Corinthians fearing that the murderer of Christians, Saul of Tarsus, was coming to visit them. [/quote]
With this post you just undid your credibility from the previous good analysis you did.

Of course they didn't fear Saul of Tarsus....because when the church was founded in Corinth in Acts 18, Paul had already been "knocked off his horse" and converted, duh...in fact, was it not Paul who introduced Christianity to Corinth???

Instead of resorting to pre-packaged standardized emotional responses designed to lay guilt trips on the unsuspecting, please get your facts straight.

[Guest Eremite]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='Mar 11 2005, 12:22 PM'] With this post you just undid your credibility from the previous good analysis you did.

Of course they didn't fear Saul of Tarsus....because when the church was founded in Corinth in Acts 18, Paul had already been "knocked off his horse" and converted, duh...in fact, was it not Paul who introduced Christianity to Corinth???

Instead of resorting to pre-packaged standardized emotional responses designed to lay guilt trips on the unsuspecting, please get your facts straight. [/quote]
What does Paul being converted have to do with him being a murderer? According to the sentiments expressed on this thread, Paul had "forefeited" his life. God made a mistake with Paul. He should have killed him, not converted him. Indeed, the Corinthians themselves should have killed Paul and "arranged the meeting."

And who's laying a guilt trip? I stated a fact. If that fact makes someone feel guilty, it indicates more about them than it does about the fact itself.

Edited March 11, 2005 by Eremite

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Mar 11 2005, 01:08 PM'] What does Paul being converted have to do with him being a murderer? According to the sentiments expressed on this thread, Paul had "forefeited" his life. God made a mistake with Paul. He should have killed him, not converted him. Indeed, the Corinthians themselves should have killed Paul and "arranged the meeting."

And who's laying a guilt trip? I stated a fact. If that fact makes someone feel guilty, it indicates more about them than it does about the fact itself. [/quote]
Did you bother to read what post of yours I was responding to? I was responding to your post about the Corinthian's FEAR and the illogic of them having to fear being persecution from him for their Christianity since it was Paul who founded Christianity there in the first place (according to my NAB heading), not the forfeiting of one's life.

Again, please check your facts first. I really don't think you're thinking before posting. This is the second post today I've caught you on.

[Guest Eremite]

[text deleted].

I think I'll let this thread sail away. We've said all we have to say. I don't want to devolve into tit for tat polemics. God bless.

Edited March 11, 2005 by Eremite

[Winchester]

The old reformed thing sure worked great with John Evander Couey, didn't it?

Sorry, but as the father of a little girl, I'm still angry at any system or bleeding heart idiot who thinks we should let pedophiles out of prison after some supposed "refoming." This is venting.

[toledo_jesus]

There needs to be a line for juvenile crime. No matter what the crime is, there needs to be a cutoff or we will rationalize execution of children one day.
Rapists and pedophiles need to be separated from the population at large. I believe that prison should be a terrible experience, and that prisoners should be stripped of most of their rights.

Basically, life in prison should smell of elderberries, and be short anyway. Let them destroy themselves if they want. just make sure they are adults.