Mary and Catholicism, protestant question

[Fides_et_Ratio]

[quote name='Benedict' date='Mar 8 2005, 07:06 PM'] Never ever ever start off this discussion with "Actually, we do worship Mary".

True, the Catholics know what you mean but most Protestants do not. And I know more than my fair share of Protestants that would stop at those words, copy, paste, and that would be that.

Best to start off by addressing what the questioner means and then go back and correct their English.

(And yes, I have answered this question that same way.) [/quote]
But I was addressing a claim to the opposite. Besides, if you don't say it, many Protestants will go dig up quotes from various saints and popes that specificially promote "worship of Mary" verbatim. Best to be honest in the beginning, and correct english and vocabulary understanding.

But I do see your point. I usually don't flat out say that to Protestants... I usually say that to well meaning Catholics. With Protestants, I usually explain the term worship, and then the distinctions.


[quote name='Paphnutius']Actually there is a distinction here. Mary recieves hyper-dulia, and the saints dulia.[/quote]
Yes, I am aware of that distinction as well-- I never did come back and finish my thoughts in this thread (oops!)... I was in a rush, and forgot to distinguish hyper-dulia and dulia.. and if you really wanted to get specific, we could include proto-dulia. lol.

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Mar 10 2005, 08:41 PM']
Yes, I am aware of that distinction as well-- I never did come back and finish my thoughts in this thread (oops!)... I was in a rush, and forgot to distinguish hyper-dulia and dulia.. and if you really wanted to get specific, we could include proto-dulia. lol. [/quote]
Quick question for you. It is to my understanding that proto-dulia is still just a suggestion for Joeseph and still has not been proclaimed as "official" i guess. Any clarification?

[Fides_et_Ratio]

Hmm, interesting. I hadn't heard that proto-dulia was not official... where did you hear that?

It makes a lot of sense if you think about it... After Mary, Joseph was the closest human being to Jesus-- he was Jesus' "adoptive father", in a sense. It would seem also to be a somewhat natural effect of the 4th Commandment... and elevate the Holy Family to a more appropriate level.

[Paphnutius]

I have just heard it on other sites and i think the Catholic Dictionary of Theology makes that distinction. Like I said I was not sure if it was official or not and that is why I asked. I agree with you on the reasons why, but from all that I have read some theologians are still advocating for that term.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

I guess I'll have to check on that a bit more...

[Winchester]

Mary usually plays the role of Christ's mother, although one year, when she had a sore throat and couldn't deliver her lines, she palyed mute shepherd and an angel understudy took over; this was disatrous, because every time the angle turned around, his sword knocked over the manger. Also, Mary kept dropping the crook when she coughed and Joseph couldn't help but hug her when this happened, being an old softy.

Mary has also played a role in Cats, but quit because the touring schedule was rough and also, the cast was, as she put it, "wierd..."

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