BLAZEr Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Ok . . . first its the Assemblies of God . . . and now the Episcopalians!! I'm not trying to be anti-ecumenical . . . it's just the way my world is spinning right now. Anyway, this article is from an Episcopalian Priest (former Dean at Yale) who writes about what the root of the problems in the ECUSA are. It's a great read (a little long) but it says everything a non-ECUSA would need to know about the current problems in the ECUSA. http://www.anglican.tk/modules.php?name=Co...howpage&pid=352 Just to give you the highlights: The ECUSA is undergoing this current tendancy toward Schism because it has ceased to be a Church and has become a Denomination. Don't go trying to point out to me that "Non-Denominational" churches are the way to go . . . if you read his article the problem he's describing looks a whole lot like "Non-Denominational denominational Christianity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The Anglicans, in their effort to remove themselves from Catholicism, has made their leadership system so weak that anything goes. They are set up like the early system of US government whose name escapes me ( before the present system). Its the" lets all get along, anybody can belong, lets all agree to disagree" system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 30, 2003 Author Share Posted October 30, 2003 it was a Confederation of American States . . . under the Articles of Confederation . . . yeah, completely dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Thats what happens when people use the "we have to keep everyone happy" Attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 I thought that was the name, but didn't want to wake up a kid to check. The Anglicans are terrified of authority, so have little chance for the possibility of permanent unity. unless they agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdewolf2 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The Anglican church was founded when King Henry VIII declared himself supreme head of the church in England so that he could get the divorce that the mean old pope wouldn't let him have. If that church was founded on a compromise with an immoral lifestyle choice, I don't think it can really step back now in the case of Gene Robinson and say, "Oh, no. That would be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The Anglican church was founded when King Henry VIII declared himself supreme head of the church in England so that he could get the divorce that the mean old pope wouldn't let him have. If that church was founded on a compromise with an immoral lifestyle choice, I don't think it can really step back now in the case of Gene Robinson and say, "Oh, no. That would be wrong." We need a smiley with applauding hands. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 I wish we had some religious ones as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Do you feel a sense of rejoicing that the anglican church is tearing itself apart? It's actually very painful for me to see it happening. I'm not a 'good' anglican since I've been questioning alot for some while, but I know people within the church who are wonderful, gentle Christians, who live their lives as an amazing witness for Gods grace and love, and they will be deeply upset about what is happening. It is difficult to imagine the church surviving this without a great deal of hurt being caused. I cannot rejoice in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 I am certainly not rejoicing, and I too am moved to tears by the recent problems in the Anglican Communion. I just wanted to point out the serious issues that have sprung up in the ECUSA and the Anglican communion in general. Reading the article its clear that the ECUSA has gone from being Catholicism Without Guilt, to Christianity Without Guilt, to just Without Guilt. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 BLAZEr, I didn't read your original post as having a sense of rejoicing in it. I suppose it was just the way the thread had developed which gave me that feeling. I am also aware that I am very sad about what is happening, and although I hope and pray I'm moving in the right direction, on a personal level I am struggling emotionally with letting go, so I'm probably very sensitive about it at the moment! I thought the article was very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 may God guide you where He wills you to be a grant u serenity and comfort there in the arms of your Creator it really is sad to see another Christian Church fall to the gates of the netherworld. if only we were all one as Jesus is one with the Father and equal to the Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUN-D.R.E. Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Thought I would share something I read by James K. Fitzpatrick on Catholic Exchange at http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.a...=1&art_id=20449 and I quote "Got that? The sin is not in leaving one’s wife and children to live with a homosexual lover, as has Dr. Robinson, but in being judgmental about such a decision. In other words, the sin is in accepting the Bible and traditional Christian teachings , in not being sufficiently open-minded and ready to adapt to the new truths blown into place by the winds of change. " (smilies added by me of course) JC is my MC, RUN-D.R.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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