early christian cities

[dairygirl4u2c]

That's a relatively good point. It's quite telling, if true. Do you know where Ephesus was?

I seem to remember five major christian places.. maybe this was towards the split with the orthodox. Does this trigger anything?

Can you at least tie some people to those four places? (asking for all of them would be a lot to ask) And of course i know you can, but can you tie significant (loaded word, yes) evidence of those people that they believe in the real presence and not just speaking symbolically.

Edited March 4, 2005 by dairygirl4u2c

[Myles Domini]

Ephesus is in Turkey and there the house Mary, the Mother of God, and John the beloved disciple is kept and venerated by Muslims who revere Mary as the sinless Mother of a sinless prophet (naturally they have not come to the fullness of faith to see Jesus is the Word made flesh). All those other places are scattered throughout the former Roman Empire or no longer exist as real cities. Alexandria is in Egypt, Antioch is in Turkey, dont know if Ancya still exists or if it has another name Antioch is now called Antakya for instance, Jerusalem of course is in Palestine, I dont know if Carthage still exists but if it did it would be in Tunisia, Oanninia someone will have to help me with, Gaul is the Roman name for France, Calabria I dont know, Cordoba's in Spain, Oersia I dont know unless he meant Persia which would be modern day Iran, Scythia is Modern day Bulgaria, Egypt aint changed much lol and Myra is in Turkey.

Anyone care to fill in the blanks?

[thessalonian]

There was a small group called the Messalians in around the 4th century who did not believe in the real prescence. They died out. There is no other record of any others who did not believe it. So while one cannot say for sure that all Christians believed it, most certainly the preponderacne of evidence shows that it was a widely held view from east to west and north to south in a day and age with no email, snail mail, internet. Heck most people didn't get more than a few hundred yards away from their home. I've often wanted to do a study on the width and breadth of Catholic like beliefs in the early Church, plotting on a map where people believed in such things as perpetual virginity of mary which was widespread. Unfortunately I haven't found the time. It amazes me that such beliefs were so widespread when today you can have three pentecostal Churches on the same block who don't believe the same thing. (read Kris Franklins story in the second "Surprized by Truth")

Edited March 4, 2005 by thessalonian

[thessalonian]

PS, I didn't vote because it was obvious that the question was baited and you confirmed it later.