what is

[dairygirl4u2c]

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[Aloysius]

[img]http://wizard.ae.krakow.pl/~drozdzj/graph/troll.jpg[/img]

[Ash Wednesday]

They're also very prominent in Norwegian folklore.

Even some landmarks in Norway are named after them.... Trollheimen, Trollstigen, Trollvägen. (Troll's home, troll's path, and troll's road -- literal translation of "road" is "way")

I'm part viking and I love my heritage! Uff da!!!

[img]http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~pfuhl/norway/troll_t.jpg[/img]

[argent_paladin]

Basically, a troll is someone who is deliberately stirring up controversy by posting entries that are sure to provoke an extreme reaction. You either are doing that or are extremely socially inept and insensitive. Over 90% of your posts are in the debate table, showing you want to create controversy. You start far more threads than the average person (over 50 by my count or about one in 5 posts). You post poorly worded or poorly edited posts, ambiguous posts, and poll questions that are sure to cause controversy. Also, you have been known to insult and dismiss others and place in low opinion that which most on this forum hold dear: Holy Mother Church and Sacred Scripture. I am sorry to say that you have gained a reputation as a disruptive presence and for you to pretend not to know shows that your intentions are not good. And if you weren't aware, then you are completely clueless.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll[/url]

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Resolutions and alternatives

In general, popular wisdom advises users to avoid feeding trolls, and to ignore temptations to respond. Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When trollhunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: "YHBT. YHL. HAND.", or "You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day." However, since trollhunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the trollhunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all.

Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group, both online and "IRL", may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The "troll" label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore perpetuate trolling.

Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by trollhunters and frustrated by ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in "flame wars". Trolls frustrated by the "ignore strategy" may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response.

Edited March 2, 2005 by argent_paladin

[dairygirl4u2c]

Well I do seek to stir up controversy, probably even more than I should while granted that this is a debate table. I am not hate seeking! I just post stuff. My polls are out of curiosity to see how people would respond to different types like how worded (not too many people make polls here and mine aren't the only ones leaving something to be desired) It takes skills to make a good poll. I find polls generally interesting.

Also, if I can create that stir amoung catholics, then that's all the better I believe, it'll either get them thinking independently or at least cause something worth of debate (in my opinion) i'm not saying that no catholic is thinking independently if they are catholic. there are some that are independent!

I seek to get people to think for themselves. Many people think they are thinking for themselves when they get apologetic sound bites to put aside non-Catholic arguments. I am looking to get people to get past that and think critically about apologetic bites. I would like some people who could acknowledge parts of my arguments instead of not responding favorably to the good points I have. Aluigi, Jeff, Apotheon, and Jas Jis are ones that come to mind that are pretty good at acknowledging points. In the end I'd like for us to agree to disagree, state what it is that we disagree on specifically so that everyone can see it. This very rarely happens no matter how hard I try. It seems that if I can't get to that point that maybe somebody is trying to avoid the issue.

also, i'm not here to debate debating. if somebody wants to start a one on one thread and go to the very end where we can agree to disagree, I'd rather do that. anyone!

just my troll post for today :ph34r:

Edited March 2, 2005 by dairygirl4u2c

[RemnantRules]

I think it's ok to start asking questions to make people think, I'm all for that Dairy but it should always be focus around to finding the truth. God Bless you!


Jason Gregory

[MichaelFilo]

You do relaize that apologetics is redundent because the same claims are made time and time again. There is only so much new material for old debates.... especially 488 year old ones between Protestants and Catholics.

God bless,
Mikey

[epiclesis]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Mar 2 2005, 04:39 PM']You do relaize that apologetics is redundent because the same claims are made time and time again. There is only so much new material for old debates.... especially 488 year old ones between Protestants and Catholics.

God bless,
Mikey[/quote]
That is partially true, but on the Protestant side of apologetics there is room for new and innovative arguements since there is no end to personal interpretation of Scripture. Words take on new meanings if it is required to support pre-existing positions.

[MichaelFilo]

Even Protestants have to work on certain premises to remain protestant, Sola Scriptura, Sola fide (although I've seen recent deviation from it), and any errors from these can be rooted back at the source, which are in error. So, no matter what new points can be brought up are based on these mistakes, and can all be dfended in the same way. A new heresy is needed for new material to come up.

God bless,
Mikey

[jasJis]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 2 2005, 09:52 AM'] Well I do seek to stir up controversy, probably even more than I should while granted that this is a debate table. I am not hate seeking! I just post stuff. My polls are out of curiosity to see how people would respond to different types like how worded (not too many people make polls here and mine aren't the only ones leaving something to be desired) It takes skills to make a good poll. I find polls generally interesting.

Also, if I can create that stir amoung catholics, then that's all the better I believe, it'll either get them thinking independently or at least cause something worth of debate (in my opinion) i'm not saying that no catholic is thinking independently if they are catholic. there are some that are independent!

I seek to get people to think for themselves. Many people think they are thinking for themselves when they get apologetic sound bites to put aside non-Catholic arguments. I am looking to get people to get past that and think critically about apologetic bites. I would like some people who could acknowledge parts of my arguments instead of not responding favorably to the good points I have. Aluigi, Jeff, Apotheon, and Jas Jis are ones that come to mind that are pretty good at acknowledging points. In the end I'd like for us to agree to disagree, state what it is that we disagree on specifically so that everyone can see it. This very rarely happens no matter how hard I try. It seems that if I can't get to that point that maybe somebody is trying to avoid the issue.

also, i'm not here to debate debating. if somebody wants to start a one on one thread and go to the very end where we can agree to disagree, I'd rather do that. anyone!

just my troll post for today :ph34r: [/quote]
Thanks for the props, but really, I don't see a point in your polls because, per your own admission, it's just to stir Caths up. You already are working from the bias that we're mindless robots following the CPU's commands.

If you had a point to discuss or a desire for enlightenment, the polls would be different and possibly useful.

[argent_paladin]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 2 2005, 09:52 AM'] Well I do seek to stir up controversy, probably even more than I should while granted that this is a debate table. I am not hate seeking! I just post stuff. My polls are out of curiosity to see how people would respond to different types like how worded (not too many people make polls here and mine aren't the only ones leaving something to be desired) It takes skills to make a good poll. I find polls generally interesting.

Also, if I can create that stir amoung catholics, then that's all the better I believe, it'll either get them thinking independently or at least cause something worth of debate (in my opinion) i'm not saying that no catholic is thinking independently if they are catholic. there are some that are independent!

I seek to get people to think for themselves. Many people think they are thinking for themselves when they get apologetic sound bites to put aside non-Catholic arguments. I am looking to get people to get past that and think critically about apologetic bites. I would like some people who could acknowledge parts of my arguments instead of not responding favorably to the good points I have. Aluigi, Jeff, Apotheon, and Jas Jis are ones that come to mind that are pretty good at acknowledging points. In the end I'd like for us to agree to disagree, state what it is that we disagree on specifically so that everyone can see it. This very rarely happens no matter how hard I try. It seems that if I can't get to that point that maybe somebody is trying to avoid the issue.

also, i'm not here to debate debating. if somebody wants to start a one on one thread and go to the very end where we can agree to disagree, I'd rather do that. anyone!

just my troll post for today :ph34r: [/quote]
Asking poll questions is not the same thing has having a point. So how can we acknowledge yours? Also, sometimes your polls are so poorly constructed that we don't know what you are even asking. I would think that since you have posted about 30 polls, you would be skilled enough by now. You really should put more effort into your polls and give some explanation, rather than just writing "spanx" and then going away.
And you are already coming in with a bias: that the only good Catholic is an independent Catholic, and that an independent Catholic is one that isn't obedient to proper authority. So, esentially, the only good Catholic for you is a protestant! Hmmm...
And why is agreeing to disagree the only good ending for you in a debate? What about changing your mind? What about learning? For me, agreeing to disagree is a failure in communication and debate. Perhaps if you actually stated your points rather than generated poorly worded polls, we might get somewhere.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Then it's settled, I'm a troll only when I'm not.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

If she is a troll, she definately isn't the worst troll here...

[toby1986]

[quote]Then it's settled, I'm a troll only when I'm not[/quote]

There is no reason for anybody to be a troll. I consider them to be akin to guerrillas. They use hit and run tactics. Start a thread like “Why to Catholics Worship Mary” and gave a bible quotation. They will post maybe once or twice again, then hide and come back in a few days with “Mary is worshiped by all Catholics” and use same tactics over and over again. They never will discuss anything. They just throw scripture in your face. They have no rhyme or reason. They will be given solid, biblically, historically, truthful answers, but they refuse, for whatever reason, to understand. They have no intention of ever understanding. They just have such a bias or even hatred of the Church that they are blind to all the explanations. They have their own idea and nothing, maybe not even if Jesus were to come down to reveal to them the truth, can make them change. We just pray for them that the Holy Spirit touch their hearts.

God Bless :wub: