mulls Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 (edited) Simply put, we see no harm in enjoying in moderation a few of life's pleasures which AoG generally frowns upon.that's perfectly fine with me. in fact, that should be the end up this whole conversation, right there. you hit the nail on the head. so now everyone can stop blowing it out of proportion. Why does it matter? Well, it's just a comparison (or should I say contrast?) of the two systems of belief. We find this teaching curious, and not Biblical, since Jesus Himself drank wine. you're right, it's not biblical. it's careful. better safe than sorry. i would rather go to a church that cares enough about people's souls to warn them against the danger of alcohol, which can easily become a burden and lead somebody away from Christ. if you all can control yourselves and drink in moderation, God bless you for that. if you get drunk, it's a sin. one drink too many may get you drunk. that's too close a call for me. i don't judge anyone for drinking in moderation. i'm surprised that a whole group of christians would chastise another group for being careful, whether it's overexaggerated or not. Edited October 30, 2003 by mulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 30, 2003 Author Share Posted October 30, 2003 Were just pointing out that you all have traditions that are not biblically based . . . and then you complain because we have so-called "non-biblical" positions . . . Makes me laugh . . . then cry . . . Chirst's Body is divided . . . and the legs and arms and fingers that cut themselves off from him are limping around saying to the Head "well, dangone it, if you just came where we wanted to go we would all be fine." Sad sad sad :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 And alcohol is a good thing. Jesus drank it. It is not evil. Men will come who call good evil and evil good. Abusing alcohol is sinful, yes. But so is abusing food, abusing children, abusing animals!!! The church wouldn't go around saying that food is evil, that children are evil, that animals are evil. They're messed up in their logic on this. It is unreasonable to call an ordinary organic substance evil! And then, there's dancing or playing cards...Are those things evil, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Were just pointing out that you all have traditions that are not biblically based . . . and then you complain because we have so-called "non-biblical" positions . . . tell me, in your own opinion, is our "tradition" more beneficial or detrimental to the life of a serious Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 That could go either or. Alcohol effects people diffrently. But to be a good christian doesnt mean being non alcoholic. Being christian means being christ like. Did christ not drink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 wow, that was a heck of a dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 30, 2003 Author Share Posted October 30, 2003 Well, if by detrimental you mean "does it teach serious Christians that they have something to fear by what they put in their mouth since "all things are good" according to St. Paul" then ummm, yes . . . Rather than hate the alcohol, which is benign . . . why not hate drunkeness . . . I don't see any "bible based" churches condemning Guns cuz they are abused to kill people with . . . I don't see any "bible based" churches condemning sex because some people become sex addicts . . . well, I guess the Shakers condemned sex . . . but there aren't any of them around any more . . . I don't think The problem ain't the "Demon Rum" it's the "Demon Drinker" . . . and that's an objective fact . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 tell me, in your own opinion, is our "tradition" more beneficial or detrimental to the life of a serious Christian? But I enjoyed this waltz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Mulls its funny to hear a non catholic talk about tradition. I, for the record, think that alcohol is not detrimental to a serious Christian. How is it possible to have Communion without wine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 (edited) tell me, in your own opinion, is our "tradition" more beneficial or detrimental to the life of a serious Christian? Then what about celibacy in the priesthood? It's "benefical". Considering most priests are very busy, they would have an even harder time to have a wife and kids. Edited October 30, 2003 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 i didn't orginally call it a "tradition," somebody else did. AGAIN.... is abstaining from alcohol more beneficial or harmful to a Christian? two choices: A. beneficial B. harmful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 CMom is correct, mulls, this is your denomination's "policy," hardly a tradition. It's puritanism, as far as I can tell...pushing the virtue of temperance to an extreme point thereby making an evil out of something which really is not evil. There is enough real evil in the world to worry about avoiding without naming evils that don't exist. And to think that entire bodies of people embrace this as a "truth" of their religion. It is not Truth, but an invention of men. God never forbade alcohol; he consumed it Himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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