Assemblies Of God

[Anna]

Awwwwwwwwwwwww, come on mulls! Did you see a few posts back when I said this thread was making me lonely for you????? Haven't seen you around in a while!

Understandable that this thread may not be to your liking, but you're welcome to defend or refute what has been said regarding AofG beliefs. In fact, if we're wrong, we would welcome correction.

Pax Christi. <><

[Paladin D]

Anna I don't want to assume too much here but...

Aren't you being a little over sarcastic? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Anna]

Uh, no Paladin, I was being dead serious. If I've mis-stated AofG beliefs, I will accept his correction....or Unshackled corrections...

All Unshackled said was that my list of AofG beliefs was "a load of rubbish," and mulls says it's an "occasion of sin for him."

But neither have said, "You are wrong about the AofG belief in ......"

No sarcasm intended.

And I really was getting lonely for mulls, too!

Pax Christi. <><

[mulls]

they really twist scripture, from my reading i get that one should not just be a drunk.

how is scripture twisted??????????

Somebody ought to say to them, "Well, when you got married, it's good that you didn't invite Jesus to your wedding; otherwise he might have done what he did at Cana!"

hahahahahahahahahahahaha...........NO

i can't believe people get hung up on this abstinence of alcohol thing

tell me where the AG say you go to hell if you drink alcohol

*biting my lip reeeallllyyy hard*

[BLAZEr]

Hey Mulls, do you know about the AofG? I would like to know more about them . . . I have a kid in my Catholic Youth Group who is AofG and I want him to be a better AofG, because unless he's a good Christian, he will never be a good Catholic . . .

Can you tell me more about the AofG?

[BLAZEr]

And since Anna is not here, I'm gonna hook you up with the AofG's statement on Alcohol, since you didn't seem to notice it:

This statement on abstinence was adopted by the

General Presbytery of the Assemblies of God on August 6, 1985.

The General Council of the Assemblies of God has historically opposed the consumption of alcohol in anyform. Early documents of the church declare, without reservation or compromise, a position of total abstinence.

In more recent years, however, this mark of separation from the world and this token of dedicated service to God has been questioned by some. Yet the continued effective work of reaching the lost and of challenging all believers to be always filled with the Holy Spirit is seriously jeopardized by a careless attitude concerning the consumption of alcoholic beverages.

For two reasons we urge all believers to avoid the Satanic tool of alcohol which destroys lives, damns souls, and blights society:

(1) A studied review of the Scriptures affirms a stern warning against intoxicating drink and a call to separation from this evil for the purpose of better service to God and mankind; and

(2) Current social abuses and the public outrage over the high cost of alcohol in terms of human misery, death, and destruction of property cry out with urgency for the church of Jesus Christ to oppose firmly any use whatsoever of a beverage which so insidiously afflicts and binds the bodies and minds of men and women.

I think referring to it as a "satanic tool" is about as clear a condemnation as you can get right?

Edited October 30, 2003 by BLAZEr

[Dave]

Mulls, no one ever said that the AOG believes you'll go to hell just for drinking alcohol. However, it also teaches that drinking alcoholic beverages IN AND OF ITSELF, not just excessive drinking, is wrong. If you don't believe me, reread the previous posts in this thread in which the AOG's teachings are quoted -- straight from the horse's mouth! Maybe you don't believe those things yourself, in which case it would seem there's a gulf between what you believe and what the AOG teaches.

[Paladin D]

Uh, no Paladin, I was being dead serious.  If I've mis-stated AofG beliefs, I will accept his correction....or Unshackled corrections...

All Unshackled said was that my list of AofG beliefs was "a load of rubbish," and mulls says it's an "occasion of sin for him." 

But neither have said, "You are wrong about the AofG belief in ......" 

No sarcasm intended.

And I really was getting lonely for mulls, too!

Pax Christi. <><

Oh ok. :lol:

[Anna]

How is Scripture being twisted?

(1) A studied review of the Scriptures affirms a stern warning against intoxicating drink and a call to separation from this evil...

Nowhere in the Bible is alcoholic beverage called evil. Drunkeness, the over-embibing in alcoholic beverage, is a sin (just as gluttony, over-indulging in food is sinful.) But the drink itself being "evil?" Jesus drank evil? That's the twist.

Then, you can contrast that with some Catholic thought...

not from any official Church document, just a good ole Catholic:

"Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine.

There is laughing, dancing, and good red wine,

At least I've always found it so,

Benedictus Domino. "

Hilare Belloc

Simply put, we see no harm in enjoying in moderation a few of life's pleasures which AoG generally frowns upon.

And mulls, now you're twisting words. Who said anything about going to hell? No one. We said, drinking alcoholic beverages, whether in excess or in moderation, seems to be considered a sin in the AoG.

Why does it matter? Well, it's just a comparison (or should I say contrast?) of the two systems of belief. We find this teaching curious, and not Biblical, since Jesus Himself drank wine.

That's all.

Pax Christi. <><

Edited October 30, 2003 by Anna

[Freaky Chik]

Freaky objected to my statement concerning the AOG that "No speaking in tongues = no Holy Spirit = no salvation."

Tell us, then, how one "gets saved" in the AOG (or any other Protestant denomination) without the Holy Spirit?

And is it not one of their principles that the manifestaton of the presence of the HS is through "speaking in tongues"?

Paz y bien, Katholikos

Well firstly, tell me what your understandings are of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit before I go on??

[Freaky Chik]

that's great Freaky Chick, I was just pointing out a flaw in the prevoiusly posted 16 tenants.

So, you too then dissagree with this tenant?

No i was pointing out that you mis-read it.

[ironmonk]

I have read a number of posts on this site stating that Protestants have no understanding of  Catholic doctrine and then I read this load of absolute rubbish. If you are to accuse anyone of having specific beliefs, then please have the decency to do your research properly and not just make vague, unjustifiable claims and expect others to accept them as facts.

Un,

See, the thing is, there are 34,000 different protestant denoms and growing.

AOG, Baptists, Weslyan's, etc... all are going to be a little different all over the world... sometimes, they are bigtime different. We go to them when we want to learn what they teach, but there are so many, and they all have different faiths - no two are alike. Our Church doesn't even mention them during Mass. Our Church only preaches the Gospel of Truth.

Now, the Catholic Church teaches the same thing all over the world... it is One Faith. None of the anti-Catholics go to the Catholic Church to learn about the Catholic Church. They listen to other anti-Catholics, and they all contradict each other. I can't count how many times I've been in a non-Catholic church to hear the "pastor" belittle and insult the Catholic Church... either indirectly or directly.

God Bless, Your Servant in Christ

ironmonk

[mulls]

We said, drinking alcoholic beverages, whether in excess or in moderation, seems to be considered a sin in the AoG.

well, seeming to be and actually being aren't quite the same, wouldn't you agree?

Edited October 30, 2003 by mulls

[BLAZEr]

"Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine.

There is laughing, dancing, and good red wine,

At least I've always found it so,

Benedictus Domino. "

Hilare Belloc

Small point:

I see this attributed to Belloc all the time . . . and I'm like 99% sure he didn't write that. I am almost positive that Chesterton said that, except for the last line which should read "Benedicamus Domino" (Bless Us Lord) rather than "Benedictus Domino" (Blessed Pizza *just kidding* its . . . Bless You Lord, which isn't exact because it would need to be Domine). I think Chesterton said it in a Toast quoting Belloc who actually said in his poem Heretics:

Heretics all, whoever you may be,

In Tarbes or Nimes, or over the sea,

You never shall have good words from me.

Caritas non conturbat me.

But Catholic men that live upon wine

Are deep in the water, and frank, and fine;

Wherever I travel I find it so,

Benedicamus Domino.

On childing women that are forelorn,

And men that sweat in nothing but scorn:

That is on all that ever were born,

Miserere Domine.

To my poor self on my deathbed,

And all my dear companions dead,

Because of the love that I bore them,

Dona Eis Requiem.

A poem after Ironmonks heart, eh?

Other than that . . . I agree completely Anna

[BLAZEr]

well, seeming to be and actually being aren't quite the same, wouldn't you agree?

Are you splitting hairs because you were wrong? Or are you just being willfully ignorant:

You said that we claimed drinking sent somene to hell in the AofG . . . no one claimed any such thing . . . now you're parsing terms over the word "seems" . . .

I wish for once you would actually post a coherent defense of something you believed . . . I love you, but this type of stuff really gets my goat! And I miss my goat!!!