How The U.S. Murdered a City

[LSW]

[quote name='Catholictothecore' date='Feb 18 2005, 10:57 AM'] This is tragic. But the army did what it needed to do. Do you think it would be any differant if the tides were turned? Do you think the Iraqis "insurgents" would hesitate murdering thousands of Americans? We know they wouldn't. (a little showed this; it was called 9/11, I believe. And yes, those weren't iraqis but they were not our friends, and perhaps would've sided with the iraqis.) [/quote]
I agree

[jimbo]

"Information Clearing House--News You Won't find on CNN or FoxNews"


hmm....the only two reliable sources of news in the US, if not the world?


(Unless you count Al Jazerr)

[DonCamillo]

[quote name='Scofizzle' date='Feb 18 2005, 11:48 AM'] The point of this thread is to post a fictional story......If this had ahppened you don't think it would have been all over the liberally biassed media.....Yah they would have ate it up...but the truth is not even Dan Rather has the courage to report this false story.

Nice sig phatmasser777......at what point does descent become sedition...b/c advocating the death of American Soldiers sure seems like sedition to me [/quote]
And the pictures here (link below) are false too?
[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5891"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5891[/url]


[quote]Dr Ismael worked with Michael Burke, the award-winning cameraman
and producer, to produce video footage of mass burials of civilians outside Fallujah. This may be aired by Channel 4 News this week.[/quote]

Note: Channel 4 News of the UK

[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5885"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5885[/url]

Edited February 18, 2005 by DonCamillo

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='DonCamillo' date='Feb 18 2005, 01:29 PM'] And the pictures here (link below) are false too?
[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5891"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5891[/url]




Note: Channel 4 News of the UK [/quote]
The Socialist Worker is a farce when it comes to credibility on American matters... Just look at the site...

This whole thing is just to stir up controversy. This thread is ridiculous.

[heyyoimjohnny]

I agree with thedude.



I don't believe this to be true.



And I think some people are way too into conspiracy theories.

[jasJis]

The next thing you know, the US is going to car bomb a mosque.

Oh, wait. That's the "insurgents".

[Scofizzle]

[quote name='DonCamillo' date='Feb 18 2005, 12:29 PM'] And the pictures here (link below) are false too?
[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5891"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5891[/url]




Note: Channel 4 News of the UK

[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5885"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5885[/url] [/quote]
no the pics may be real but were not killed by Americans. I remember hearing a story about how the terrorists were using civilians as hostages when Fallujah fell....

Think about it.....there may have been some collateral damage and a few innocent lives lost but the scope of the stroy you are talking about is BS and you know it.

[curtins]

Yeah here is the thing- you guys are actually going to beleive this story??? Cause I or anyone for that matter- could right a story just like it. As it was pointed out- if this was true it would be all over the libral media but it is just SO far out in left field that its even too many lies for them. Our soldiers are NOT murderers as this story portrays them to be. I just love how everything is the US soldiers fault- but really- if the insurgents had surendered there would have been very little to no fighting in fulujah. The terrorists are the ones killing the inocents here-not the us soldiers. ITs quite simple- if the terrorists stop- the fighting stops. We as spreaders of freedom and democracy will not stop untill the terrorists have been stop. We target killers of inocents- not inocents. There will be civilian casualties but that is NOT by design. Why is it the librals are so intent on making our brave soldiers out to be criminals???

I just dont get it. I'd like to see you go over there and fight. Yeah, thought so.

btw HERE is a real story for you- [url="http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/102005mf.asp"]http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/102005mf.asp[/url]

Edited February 18, 2005 by curtins

[argent_paladin]

1. Look at the source. Socialist and other anti-American organizations. The doctor predicted that the elections wouldn't occur or that if they did, they would fail.
2. Look at the facts. No statistics, just anecdotes. Saddam killed millions, supported by the UN. UN sanctions killed an estimated half-a-million children. It is completely false to assert that Iraq was peaceful before the US arrived. The people of Iraq faced much greater chances of death at the hands of Saddam's thugs, or fighting in Saddam's wars against Iran and Kuwait. If you care about the Iraqi people, you should be overjoyed that Saddam is in prison, since no one in history has been responsible for the deaths of more Iraqis. You should also support the defeat of the insurgency, because if the insurgents are victorious, the Baath party will win and the bloodshed will continue. Fallujah was a center of death and terror for months. Now it is far more peaceful.
3. Also, civilians were warned that the US would come in and were given the opportunity to leave. The US could have leveled the city, without a single American casualty, but they risked American lives by fighting house to house because they value the lives of Iraqis.
4. If you are against war, you should be for US action, because the US is seeking to achieve peace as soon as possible? Do you think Bush wants war? Or the soldiers or generals in Iraq? They would want nothing more than peace. But do you really think that if the US left tomorrow there would be peace? In the contrary, there would be a horrific civil war and the blood of millions of Iraqis would be on our hands. The only choice we have that leads to peace is to help the legitimate government of Iraq eliminate the terrorists who are killing its citizens. That is the only way.

[delta557]

Nobody here (including me) has room to judge the actions that soldiers make in combat. None of us have ever been in a war, and we most likely never will go into a battle. People expect that since we've got so much technology and money that everything we do should be perfect. They think that there shouldn't be any accidental civilian deaths, no mistakes at all. Well, that's war. It's horrible, but that's just what it is...there's nothing clean about it. Everyone is human, and we all make mistakes, especially when put under the stress of dealing with life or death decisions. So I'm sure (if the original story is authentic) that Americans have done some bad things over there, but that doesn't mean that every soldier over there is a criminal. And who is it again that beheads innocent civilians and then plays it on the internet?

curtins is soo right, too

[Ash Wednesday]

Hurrah for the young socialists out there who probably never had to live under the iron curtain, those lucky kids!

God bless those "freedom fighters" those good ol' boys like Al-Zarqawi and his daisy-sniffing cronies who REALLY wouldn't touch a fly and have called this a fight "against democracy!"

I mean, come on, are you people crazy? Don't you realize it's not hip to defend the U.S. military? Do the cool thing and bash the U.S. because it's such an easy target, you know? It's so much easier to rip on the U.S. at all costs and disregard any good our silly country has done.

Don't do something terribly uncool thing like defend the 4000 or so unborn that die daily. Because that just doesn't come across as "hip." It's much, much hipper to care about all that, like, other "social injustice" stuff, ya know? Because the left is really the only side that knows what they're talking about. Until you get out of college, that is. Then everyone get tired of paying taxes and becomes Republican.

[curtins]

amen aw

[Winchester]

Why is this not on the debate table?

Evidence beyond "eyewitness" is needed to convince, gentlepersons. There are also claims that the US is kidnapping people and sawing their heads off whilst blaming terrorists.

Atorcities happen. They are not unique to US personnel. Soldiers are killers.

I repeat, who is napping to allow this debate to continue on this board?

[MichaelFilo]

Good thing this topic was moved while I was typing(so my post wasn't posted). I said some pretty mean things. Sorry even if you don't know what I said.

God bless,
Mikey

[Phatmasser777]

Just so ppl know:

- It wasn't posted to incite angry debate.
(But to show what the US military REALLY does, not the 'heroic' stills and so-called, 'battles' [which are usually against 2-3 insurgent fighters, not a couple hundred, where some news corps. go]).

- It's a first hand account of US terrorism against a native population.
- It gives detail into the life of occupied Iraqi lives.


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