theculturewarrior Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 I have never ultimately been disappointed intellectually by the Church. I have struggled with doubt before...but when God answered, I have come out a stronger and more convicted Catholic. I have however been disappointed by Catholic apologists, especially on forums and among friends. It is the same problem that confronts any two groups with differing worldviews. Dialogue begins when you understand the cons' point of view. It begins when you say, "I see how that argument is persuasive, but this is what I believe, and this is why it is more persuasive." I find more apologists, even the ones on TV, using straw man arguments, preaching to the choir, and not tapping into the depth that the Church has to offer. This is the Achilles' Heel of modern Catholic apologetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Examples, CW? Yet I think I know what you mean. Maybe one reason for the straw-men is because it's humbling to be brought to realization of one's "con" viewpoint, especially if this happens via direct experience, not just intellectually. ...maybe there aren't many takers wiling to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted February 18, 2005 Author Share Posted February 18, 2005 honestly, I've stayed away from the debate table for a while. I really feel drained when I come here. But it seems like every forum I go to posts news articles of the most absurd examples of the cons pov. It's kind of like the media honing in on the clerical abuse scandals, and ignoring other comparable scandals. The only difference is, we're the media in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted February 18, 2005 Author Share Posted February 18, 2005 I have also been disappointed by Catholic Answers tracts. I love their ministry, and I'm grateful for all they do, but their arguments at times are not thorough...they have left me hanging a couple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Catholic Answers tracts are the kindergarten version of the faith. Milk before meat. Ask the Church Scholars to recommend some books for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 (edited) The best thing that you can do is take the Marian Catechist program. It is a home-study program and it is the best. It was established by John Hardon, S.J. I took it in 1998, while in grad school, to support my theological studies, so I can attest to the importance and solidity. Here is the link: [url="http://www.mariancatechist.com/"]Marian Catechists[/url] Good Luck.... Cam42 Edited February 19, 2005 by Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 D. Table'll be here when you're not weary, CW. :pipe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted February 20, 2005 Author Share Posted February 20, 2005 Thanks. I've noticed it has attracted some true culture warriors. Anybody wanna buy my screename? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 does the post count and the pretty flag go with that screen name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 cmom is right--Catholic Answers give out what is just tracts who's main focus on audience and readers are not people who have theology degrees but just the basics......and some not even that.. I would go to those who have a degree in theology, etc. (Like the Church scholars) who can definitely help you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted March 7, 2005 Author Share Posted March 7, 2005 [quote name='journeyman' date='Mar 5 2005, 09:28 PM'] does the post count and the pretty flag go with that screen name? [/quote] :thinking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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