Gal. 5:22,23 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Could someone please explain this? I keep reading that Baptists believe that Jesus is your Buddy. My husband grew up Baptist and we were part of a Baptist church recently, and I have never heard this teaching. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brother Adam Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Let me try that again under my screenname: It's the OSAS and altar call mentality that Baptists have. I was baptist for three years and experienced it at the close to 30 churches I visited at one time or another, so I believe it is quite universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gal. 5:22,23 Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 So, if I believed OSAS (which I don't) then I believe Jesus to be my Buddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Again, it is the overall mentality that accompanies such doctrines. It is "If I believe that Jesus is my personal Lord and Savior and I say a prayer to accept him into my heart then I will be saved". It's unbiblical theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gal. 5:22,23 Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 Ok, thanks for the explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 14 2005, 03:00 PM'] Again, it is the overall mentality that accompanies such doctrines. It is "If I believe that Jesus is my personal Lord and Savior and I say a prayer to accept him into my heart then I will be saved". It's unbiblical theology. [/quote] where did the doctrine of "being saved" ever come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I don't intend to say that being liberated from evil, that is, being saved, is wrong or unbiblical (John 3:16), I intend to say we can be saved by a prayer is unbiblical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 14 2005, 06:35 PM'] I don't intend to say that being liberated from evil, that is, being saved, is wrong or unbiblical (John 3:16), I intend to say we can be saved by a prayer is unbiblical. [/quote] Gives new meaning to the phrase "you don't have a prayer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 14 2005, 06:35 PM'] I don't intend to say that being liberated from evil, that is, being saved, is wrong or unbiblical (John 3:16), I intend to say we can be saved by a prayer is unbiblical. [/quote] so how are you supposed to tell God that you believe in His son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Think about the essance of "to believe". It differs from the essance of "to have faith". Even demons have the essance of belief in Jesus, but they are not liberated from evil. It is the action of faith that liberates one from evil, taking care of the problem of original sin and bringing one into a filial relationship with God. A prayer is not a covenant action. We must be bound to the Paschal Mystery (the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ). This re-birth, literally into a new covenantal family takes place in baptism. In baptism we abandon the sacraficial (works) mode of trying to earn our salvation and put our full trust into Christ, in the complete assurance that God will do as He said He would. The new life in Christ is the culmination of salvation history. It is not however brought about simply by expressing a wish to be liberated from evil. We must offer our full selves to God in obedience to Him (Romans 1:5). It is thus by faith that we are saved as the Bible says. Not faith alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I should add here, as is often the objection: "But the Bible says who ever confesses that Jesus is Lord will be saved". Yes, the point of metanoia in the life of a person is crucially important, but it is not the only point of conversion. In each of the Old Covenants, a relationship is established not simply in God and man talking, but in the covenant action - for Israelites it is circumcision. If man does not follow God in obedience even in the New Covenant, he cannot be saved. If he says "Yes Lord, I believe" but refuses to enter into new life, he cannot be saved. If he says "Yes, Lord, I believe" but refuses God thereafter, and rejects grace, making a shipwreck of his faith, he cannot be saved unless he is reconciled. I hope this also helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gal. 5:22,23 Posted February 15, 2005 Author Share Posted February 15, 2005 (edited) Okay, I have a question that I feel is relevant. What happened to the thief on the cross according to the Catholic Church? Scripture only says that he asked Jesus to remember him in His kingdom and that Jesus assured him that "today you will be with Me in paradise." I have read Catholic commentaries that say that "paradise" is not heaven, but the highest level in Purgatory. Either way, the outcome was pretty good for a criminal who probably wasn't walking with God. It appears that all the thief did was express his faith in Jesus. Any thoughts? Edited February 15, 2005 by Gal. 5:22,23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Yes, we are bound by the sacraments, God is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 14 2005, 07:52 PM'] "Yes Lord, I believe" but refuses to enter into new life, he cannot be saved. [/quote] i think i agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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