Jaime Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 James You regurgitate the same statement over and over again. This doesn't even come close to something resembling dialogue. That being said, I wouldn't mind a response on the Opus thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 [quote]The premise of Schoeman's book, "Salvation is from the Jews", is that Christianity is a continuation of Judaism and that is a false premise. Therefore the entire book is questionable. [/quote] Correction. The premise of Schoeman's book, "Salvation is From the Jews", is that CATHOLICISM is a continuation of Judaism. That you have failed to disprove his thesis, which is concerned with Catholicism, not Protestantism, indicates a false premise on your part. Therefore, your entire objection is objectionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted February 13, 2005 Author Share Posted February 13, 2005 (edited) Roy Schoeman wrote a book inspired by the false notion that the Catholic Church is a continuation of Judaism. [quote]Q: [b]What inspired you to write this book?[/b] Roy Schoeman: It seems obvious to me, as a Jew who has entered the Catholic Church, that [b]the Church is[/b] nothing else but "post Messianic" Judaism that is, [b]the continuation of Judaism [/b]after the coming of the Jewish Messiah, now opened up to all peoples. [/quote] Roy Schoeman's statement that the Catholic Church is a continuation of Judaism is false. Judaism is a religion which is based in the tradition of the Pharisees. [quote]"The 'Jewish' religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees". (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1943[/quote] Jesus Christ, the founder of the Catholic church, condemned the tradition of the Pharisees. [quote]"And the Pharisees and scribes asked him: Why do not thy disciples walk according to the tradition of the ancients,... But (Jesus) answering, said to them: Well did Isaias prophesy of you hypocrites... making the word of God of no effect through your tradition, which you have handed down. And many such things you do" (Mark 7:5-13)[/quote] After Christ was executed by the Pharisees and then resurrected, the Pharisees continued their tradition as Judaism. [quote]"After the conflicts with Rome (A.D. 66-135) Pharisaism became practically synonymous with Judaism." (Catholic Encyclopedia)[/quote] [quote]"With the destruction of the Temple ...Henceforth, Jewish life was regulated by the teachings of the Pharisees. Pharisaism shaped the character of Judaism & the life & thought of the Jew for all the future." (Jewish Encyclopedia)[/quote] To state, as Roy Schoeman does, that the Catholic church is a continuation of Judaism--the tradition of the Pharisees which Christ condemned because it makes the word of God, the Mosaic law, of no effect--is absolutely false. Edited February 13, 2005 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 WHAT DOES THE BOOK SAY??????!!!!!!!! Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted February 13, 2005 Author Share Posted February 13, 2005 (edited) Roy Schoeman's purpose for writing "Salvation is From the Jews": [quote]"The purpose of the book (Salvation is From the Jews) is to give the Christian reader a deeper understanding of Judaism, both as a religion in itself and [i]as a central component of Christian salvation[/i]..." [url="http://www.salvationisfromthejews.com/purpose.html"]http://www.salvationisfromthejews.com/purpose.html[/url] [/quote] Roy Schoeman's purpose in writing "Salvation is From the Jews," is to propagate the false notion that Judaism: the tradition of the Pharisees who executed Christ, is a "central component" to Christian salvation. [quote]"The 'Jewish' religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees". (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1943)[/quote] Edited February 13, 2005 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 How about finishing the statement...... [quote]The purpose of the book is to give the Christian reader a deeper understanding of Judaism, both as a religion in itself and as a central component of Christian salvation, [b]and to reveal to the Jewish reader the incomprehensible importance and glory which Jews and Judaism most truly have; [i][u]a glory and importance which is only revealed in the light of the Catholic faith.[/i][/u][/b][/quote] Not really all that amazing that you conviently leave that part of the quote out. [quote]It traces the role of Judaism and the Jewish people in God’s plan for the salvation of all mankind from Abraham through the Second Coming, as revealed by the Catholic faith and by a thoughtful examination of history, showing the infinite nobility and importance which Judaism has as God’s own religion, and the unique and central role it has in the destiny of all of creation. Repeatedly it demonstrates that rather than debasing Judaism or Jews, true Christianity ennobles them to a far greater degree than even Judaism itself does.[/quote] You are proving to be an easy mark. Now, that we have used everything including the website, how about some of the book itself. Pagination would be a good thing to quote. Or are we just going to keep moving around the book and never get to it? If that is the case, I am out. You are proving nothing other than you can make an arbitrary statement, then not back it up. It is quickly becoming your modus operandi (mode of operation, in case your Latin isn't up to snuff) Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted February 13, 2005 Author Share Posted February 13, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Cam42' date='Feb 13 2005, 01:21 AM'] How about finishing the statement...... [/quote] [quote][b]The purpose of the book is to give the Christian reader a deeper understanding of Judaism, both as a religion in itself and as a central component of Christian salvation[/b], and to reveal to the Jewish reader the incomprehensible importance and glory which Jews and Judaism most truly have; a glory and importance which is only revealed in the light of the Catholic faith[/quote] I'm not concerned with what Schoeman wants to teach Jews. It is what he intends to teach Christians that concerns me. Schoeman intends to teach Christians that Judaism: the religion of the Pharisees who executed Christ, is a "central component" of Christian salvation. This is absolutely false. Edited February 13, 2005 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 "The purpose of the book is to give the Christian reader a deeper understanding of Judaism, both as a religion in itself and as a central component of Christian salvation, and to reveal to the Jewish reader the incomprehensible importance and glory which Jews and Judaism most truly have; a glory and importance which is only revealed in the light of the Catholic faith" Since we now know the purpose of the book which is a laudable one, I think this thread has run it course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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