For AtheistAlex

[Melchisedec]

[quote]alright, you say there's no cement evidence that God exists. You should also know there's no cement evidence that He doesn't. [/quote]

I need not prove that something doesn't exist, when there is no proof of its existence at all.

[quote]
You base your beliefs on logic and reason? You seem to need to think about that statement a little bit harder as a man who reasons has no need to call another a name for the lone reason to try and belittle another and build youself up. This isn't a school yard. yes atheism needs faith because its strong belief in a theory only. Not facts.[/quote]

You complete dodge the defintion of faith I posted. Logic , reason are the opposite of faith. Where faith requires NO evidence to beleive. Logic and reason REQUIRES evidence , usually empirical to require something as true. I can say I believe in unicorns. That is faith based. I believe in the sun. That is based on logic and reason.

An atheist requires no faith. His/Her position is based on the lack of evidence concerning theist beleifs. They need not have faith on their position as an atheist. Because their position is grounded on evidences that dispute all theist beleifs. The fabric of an atheist beleifs, rest on facts. No faith is require to beleive a fact.

[quote]Its a faith or a strong belief that there is no God, especially when all of creation is a testimony of Him.[/quote]

That is you personal view. It requires faith. There is no evidence supporting that position.

[quote]you one of those types who believe that truth is relative to the person?[/quote]

Speaking for myself. No.

Edited March 4, 2005 by Melchisedec

[Catalyst]

the fabric of an atheist rests on the fact that they choose facts that suit their own personal comfort zone.

Creating an ideology based alone on what can be seen. This has flaws, because you know wind exists because you can feel it and see its effects. You know love exists for the same reason, but love is also a taste of something so much bigger...

look at the world, you'll see the effect it has when people choose to turn their backs on God.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Mar 5 2005, 12:57 PM'] the fabric of an atheist rests on the fact that they choose facts that suit their own personal comfort zone.

Creating an ideology based alone on what can be seen. This has flaws, because you know wind exists because you can feel it and see its effects. You know love exists for the same reason, but love is also a taste of something so much bigger...

look at the world, you'll see the effect it has when people choose to turn their backs on God. [/quote]
Not only what can be seen, but what can be proven. Wind can be proven. Love is a chemical reaction, not far different than eating copious amounts of chocolate.

That doesn't stop us from experiencing love or enjoying it.

[Catalyst]

love is a chemical reaction...love is limited to that? a feeling bro? your dead wrong, people base love on that and thats also why theres certain debates going on today. Its why 50% of marriages fail. It takes excuses not to beleive in God, as science only goes so far and than runs out of answers.

Come with something more factual mister atheist, your perspectives are extremely limited. God said that His people die of a lack of knowledge. This isn't talking of just a physical death. Think about this.

Where is this solid proof that God doesn't exist?

its ironic they call this science based proof as science is another word for knowledge. So much of it tends to have such a lack of it however.

Edited March 9, 2005 by Catalyst

[Melchisedec]

[quote]Where is this solid proof that God doesn't exist?[/quote]

The burden of a proof is on your, since you assert that there is a god. What are your proofs of a god. Why do we have to disprove something that is not proven?

[quote]its ironic they call this science based proof as science is another word for knowledge. So much of it tends to have such a lack of it however.[/quote]

We are still discovering so much about the world around us. Science cannot answer many questions. The problem with people like you is. That for what you do not know or understand , you fill in the gaps with - 'god did it'. Its been done throughout the history of mankind. Wheather for example, was thought to be the product of gods wrath. But science has shown that its part of atmoshpheric changes in the earth. Before many people would have believed that god summoned hurricanes to punish those evil doers. Now we know why hurricanes are caused, how to predict future hurricanes and to be better prepared for them. God did it, is an easy explanation for not understanding something.

Edited March 9, 2005 by Melchisedec

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Mar 8 2005, 10:23 PM'] love is a chemical reaction...love is limited to that? a feeling bro? your dead wrong, people base love on that and thats also why theres certain debates going on today. Its why 50% of marriages fail. It takes excuses not to beleive in God, as science only goes so far and than runs out of answers.
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First of all, I'm not your "bro". Second, my point was that the feeling we characterize as "love" is triggered by the release of a set of chemicals in the brain. The fact that we know that, doesn't change the way we experience love, now does it? I still love my family as much as I did before I knew about brain chemicals. Our understanding of love didn't cause marriages to fail. Ask me how I know that.

Also, one doesn't have to believe that science has all the answers to not believe in god.

[quote]Come with something more factual mister atheist, your perspectives are extremely limited. God said that His people die of a lack of knowledge. This isn't talking of just a physical death. Think about this. [/quote]

I can only assume that this is directed at me. I understand what you are trying to say, but it doesn't really have a point here.

[quote]Where is this solid proof that God doesn't exist?[/quote]

See, here's how this works. It's infinitely difficult to prove a negative. It's far, far easier to prove a positive. So it's up to YOU to prove that god exists. All I have to know is that there is no proof of god's existence and my beliefs hold.

[quote]its ironic they call this science based proof as science is another word for knowledge. So much of it tends to have such a lack of it however.[/quote]

Wow. Just wow.