Oh yeah...I forgot

[AtheistAlex]

1. What is your position on Baptism?

2. What is your position on atheism?

3. What is your position on any politician that supports a woman's right to choose?

4. What is your position on Judaism?

5. What is your position on non-conservative politics?

6. How do you open yourself to new minds and experiences without changing your religious position?

7. Choose: an atheist friend, or a Catholic enemy?

8. Choose: abortion-hating liberal willing to give reparations, tax breaks to blacks, free immigration to all, etc., or a staunch conservative who feels no ill will toward abortionists?

9. Choose: Malcolm X, or Jerry Falwell?

10. Choose: Freedom fries or a boycott of Farenheit 9/11?

11. Choose: Klan or Black Panthers?

12. What do you plan to do with the next four years of Bush's reign?

[MagiDragon]

1. Infant Baptism is cool, we were given original sin without our consent, it can be taken away without our consent.

2. Depends, what do you mean by atheism? If you mean agnostic, then i' have no problem with it, assuming you are honestly searching for truth. If you mean you solidly believe that there's no God and nothing will sway you otherwise, then i think you're nuts.

3. Do they support the baby's right to choose?

4. They are our spiritual ancestors and worthy of respect . . . but they should really be joining up with the fullness of the Truth sometime soon.

5. Ummm . . . what sort of question is that?

6. Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.

~ G.K. Chesterton

7. DUH!!! One of my best friends claims to be atheist. Honestly he's a great guy. Who wants a Catholic enemy?

8. Gimme the conservative. No one should have ill will toward the people, just their practice of ripping innocent people to shreds.

9. Ummm . . . neither.

10. Both. (These are very Catholic answers BTW . . . in the Hypostatic Union God chose Both!)

11. Neither.

12. I don't plan to do anything with or to it.

Peace,
Joe

[AtheistAlex]

Thanks.

Honestly, I was looking for a choice, you know, for the "Choose" questions, between those two candidates. And the last one is relative to what you would've done during a Kerry administration had he won.

Oh, yeah and number 5 is pretty direct. Most of the politics I heard on here were mainstream conservativism, so I asked what you feel about non-conservativism, or politics that are not conservative. Make out of that what you will.

Keep it tight,

Alex

[MagiDragon]

Well, in that case, in response to 5, i'd have to say that i don't approve of most non-conservative politics, but you'd have to be more specific for me to give anything definite.

If Kerry had won, i'd have waited around a year or two, and then once i thought his politics were going to start having an effect, i would pull my money out of the stock market. So i guess you could say that i'm investing money in the economy because Bush is prez. *shrugs* I wouldn't do much differently either way . . . maybe i'd pray for the health of all the Supreme Court justices . . . but that would be about it. And I guess i might pray for Kerry's conversion. (I wouldn't care if he would convert *to* or *from* Catholicism, just as long as he doesn't continue to cause scandal!)

So that you know more fully on #7 . . . I'd take anyone who's true to their beliefs before i'd take a disloyal Catholic. I think i'd even rather have a satanist. (Although i'm not really sure about the satanist.)

Peace,
Joe

[Guest Aluigi]

there is a political wing that is not right or left, but is upside-down-and-to-the-right growing on this board . Look up my posts on Bellocian Distributism

[Thy Geekdom Come]

1. Baptism is necessary for salvation. However, not all Baptism is by water...there are extraordinary means, such as Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

2. Atheism is my enemy. This does not mean, however, that atheists are my enemies.

3. No politician can support "a woman's right to choose" an abortion. Such a right does not exist. Therefore, I cannot support a politician who claims that rights which do not exist really do, when those "rights" conflict with human life.

4. Judaism is the root of our faith. The Jews are sons and daughters of God who have not yet been completely evangelized. We embrace them as friends and neighbors and hope that with us, they will continue to grow in the Truth.

5. I am a conservative morally and a conservative-centrist economically.

6. I can evaluate opinions which conflict with my faith, and my faith will guide me in that evaluation. Condemning an opinion or viewpoint is not the same as condemning a person.

7. An atheist friend. A Catholic enemy would not be a very good Catholic, and thus would would be very untrue to me. An atheist friend is true to himself and me, and if he is true to himself, then he should be capable of becoming a Catholic friend, with time, so long as his truthfulness toward himself is real truth and not false truth motivated by hatred.

8. The first. Abortion, as a non-negotiable, takes precedence.

9. Malcolm X...he's from my home town and he repented of violence before his death. Jerry Falwell, on the other hand, hates Catholicism.

10. Freedom fries, although I only pretend to be in the boycott to annoy my liberal friends. Michael Moore could have some valid points, but his blatent doctoring of film clips speaks for itself. So long as the means are invalid, I cannot trust the ends.

11. Neither. I refuse to choose between two hate-motivated groups. I would sooner be dead than support either a party which would hate me for my religion (Catholic) and race (part Semitic) or a party which would hate me for the color (or lack thereof) of my skin.

12. I plan to continue in college and get my degrees in Classics, Theology, and Counseling. I plan to get married and start a family. I plan to work diligently, be a devout Catholic, and grow in sanctity. Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam.

Some of your questions are unrealistically polar. I hope you will grow here to break from the stereotypes which seem to suggest that we are so divisive.

[AtheistAlex]

Ah, you misunderstand what I am trying to get here. I want not to make you out to be divisive. If I wanted that, I wouldn't need to ask. I would spin whatever you said to make it mean what I wanted.

Really, I want to know 1. who will answer all the questions, 2. how they see these ideas, figures, and groups, and 3. the personality of those that I talk to.

I apologize if I offended you.

Keep your jets cooled,

Alex

[AtheistAlex]

One of my favorites is the Malcolm X one. I expected no one to answer it, so I am pleasantly surprised that you did. I understand you feel the Black Panthers are a hate-motivated group. Hm...interesting.

Oh, and thank you for the education, guys.

Edited February 10, 2005 by AtheistAlex

[Thy Geekdom Come]

You didn't offend me. I really can't answer the Klan vs. Black Panther one. It's a false dichotomy...in real life, there is one more answer: neither.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='AtheistAlex' date='Feb 10 2005, 02:00 AM'] One of my favorites is the Malcolm X one. I expected no one to answer it, so I am pleasantly surprised that you did. I understand you feel the Black Panthers are a hate-motivated group. Hm...interesting. [/quote]
Perhaps not a murderous group, but certainly hate motivated, given that they feel they need to separate themselves from white people.

Only hate divides.

[AtheistAlex]

Understandable. I guess there are questions I should relent on, then.

[AtheistAlex]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Feb 10 2005, 01:03 AM'] Perhaps not a murderous group, but certainly hate motivated, given that they feel they need to separate themselves from white people.

Only hate divides. [/quote]
Then is Malcolm X a hate-motivated individual?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='AtheistAlex' date='Feb 10 2005, 02:05 AM'] Then is Malcolm X a hate-motivated individual? [/quote]
I chose him because he repented by the time of his death. During his earlier years, I would not have chosen him.

[AtheistAlex]

ah ha. Cool beans.

[crusader1234]

1. What is your position on Baptism? Its pretty much neccesary for salvation, aside from extraordinary means.

2. What is your position on atheism? I don't get how someone can deny the existance of God. So I think its silly.

3. What is your position on any politician that supports a woman's right to choose? Thats a politician that I wouldn't vote for.

4. What is your position on Judaism? Its where we come from, and its a huge part of Catholocism - even if things have changed.

5. What is your position on non-conservative politics? I am Catholic - lets avoid political labels. They're dangerous.

6. How do you open yourself to new minds and experiences without changing your religious position? With charity and truth. If theres a theory or something that somebody has, I'll analyze that theory from an objective and charitable Catholic standpoint to the best of my ability.

7. Choose: an atheist friend, or a Catholic enemy? An atheist friend. There is no such thing as a Catholic enemy. Only pretend Catholics would allow themselves to become enemies.

8. Choose: abortion-hating liberal willing to give reparations, tax breaks to blacks, free immigration to all, etc., or a staunch conservative who feels no ill will toward abortionists? Obbiously the first of the two. I'm actually pretty much 100% behind number one even outside of abortion.

9. Choose: Malcolm X, or Jerry Falwell? Malcolm X

10. Choose: Freedom fries or a boycott of Farenheit 9/11? They're the same thing. I choose French fries and the truth.

11. Choose: Klan or Black Panthers? Like Raph said, they're both hate driven and thus I'd choose to shut down both.

12. What do you plan to do with the next four years of Bush's reign? Continue living, continue being Catholic, continue striving for perfection, work harder at school, and in a political sense? Pray.