Katholikos Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Wearing blue, when it's not prescribed and therefore illicit, is just another way of showing disdain for the regulations of the Church. It's more of the "I'll do it my way" attitude prevalent in the U.S. -- an act of rebellion. It's a small thing, but telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Remember me later as I receive the last minor order on the road to the holy priesthood. Theo, when will this happen? Wish I could attend your ordination! Then you'll have to drop "in training" from your name! You've been so helpful to so many of us at phatmass, we feel like you are "our priest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Mexicans and hispanics are permitted to use blue for Marian feasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Mexicans and hispanics are permitted to use blue for Marian feasts. Documentation, please? The priests I'm talking about are not Hispanic and do not serve Hispanic parishes. And the vestments are not worn on Marian feasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 EWTN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessionator741 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 im a little lost here.. ok. so..mexican/hispanic church's can use blue vestments...right? well then what classifies a church as mexican or hispanic. My church is like 90% white(not that it matters) and i am mexican. Becuase there is a hispanic family in the parish..would that give them the right to use the vestments??? B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 EWTN Could you give me a hint about where I could find the documentation at EWTN, since it's not in the GIRM? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 not everything is in the GIRM. Go to Q & A and type in priests vestments, or blue vestments. its called "spanish privledge(sp)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 im a little lost here.. ok. so..mexican/hispanic church's can use blue vestments...right? well then what classifies a church as mexican or hispanic. My church is like 90% white(not that it matters) and i am mexican. Becuase there is a hispanic family in the parish..would that give them the right to use the vestments??? B The Church in Mexico. sorry if I wasn't clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Cmom wrote: The Church in Mexico. sorry if I wasn't clear. Oh. I also thought you meant that this exception applied to Mexican priests and parishes in the United States. Thanks for the clarification. Every country has its GIRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 It is important to realize that the Church has different guidelines for liturgical colors depending on what part of the world you are in. Different cultures have different meanings for different cultures. For example, in Japanese culture, white is viewed as a sad color and a color for mourning. Therefore, it would not make much sense to a Japanese person to use white for Easter or Christmas. I believe cmom is correct in the fact that in Latin America they have received an indult from Rome to use blue vestments for the Blessed Virgin. In the United States, this indult has not been granted, however, and they should therefore not be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessionator741 Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I checked. I went into the presacrasty in my church and went through the closets. I FOUND IT! I LIVE IN PA, not in south america, and we do have blue vestments. a few of them actually. I asked the helper in there (in the presacrasty, not in the closet) what the blue was for. She said that Fr. Gallahger told her that they were for marian feasts, and we use them all the time!! If were not supposed to use them....then...whay do we have them and use them? B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I checked. I went into the presacrasty in my church and went through the closets. I FOUND IT! I LIVE IN PA, not in south america, and we do have blue vestments. a few of them actually. I asked the helper in there (in the presacrasty, not in the closet) what the blue was for. She said that Fr. Gallahger told her that they were for marian feasts, and we use them all the time!! If were not supposed to use them....then...whay do we have them and use them? B Probably for the same reason many parishes use glass patens and chalices, change the readings or psalm, omit the creed or the Gloria, sing songs not worthy of a Catholic Mass, change the words of prayers, take the readings from some sheet of paper instead of the Lectionary, say "May Almighty God bless US," and other liturgical abuses. They disregard, or don't bother to read, the General Instructions of the Roman Missal. I am really sorry, and I truly mean that, if this post sounds mean-spirited or condescending, I just can't think of a nicer way to say it. Basicly, that's what it comes down to. It is either ignorance of what the instructions call for or a flat out refusal to follow them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 g) Festive or more noble vestments can be used on more solemn days, even if not of the color of the day. However, as regards liturgical colors, the Conference of Bishops may define and propose to the Holy See adaptations which respond to the needs and genius of the peoples. Could this warrent the wearing of blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Could this warrent the wearing of blue? g) Festive or more noble vestments can be used on more solemn days, even if not of the color of the day. However, as regards liturgical colors, the Conference of Bishops may define and propose to the Holy See adaptations which respond to the needs and genius of the peoples. (emphasis mine) [Here is what the US bishops requested and received in that regard] h) Gold or silver colored vestments may be worn on more solemn occasions in the dioceses of the United States of America. Sorry, nothing about blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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