Is Phatmass Dangerous To Teens?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='delta557' date='Feb 7 2005, 11:12 PM'] or get involved with Mexican drug cartels!

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I hear there is good money in it. Anyone interested in a buisness venture?

[Tony]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Feb 7 2005, 07:03 PM'] Here its like 5. lol [/quote]
like I was telling my dad.. 1 for five.. 2 for twelve..

[Iacobus]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 7 2005, 10:08 PM'] This attitude sounds a bit like arrogance. Remember, that just because people disagree with you doesn't make them stupid or ignorant. I myself know many true conservative intellectuals. The attitude of liberals that holding conservative opinions is ignorant or unintellectual is rather upsetting to many of us thinking persons on the right. I'm not talking about you here, but the general prevailing attitude of many on the left.

Not trying to start a fight here, just something to think about. [/quote]
I am about to go back into lurking mode, so if I don't reply to any replies, don't think I am avoiding it or whatever.

Yes, maybe you can say it is being a bit prideful or whatever. I would agree with you to an extent. What brothers me the most is a willful ignorance of something, or when someone steps out and makes a statements clearly wrong and in a sense flaunts their ignorance. This, rather than a de facto (de jure would really pull one on my blood pressure) ignorance, one that cannot be helped, it is when people refuse to learn that I am upset.

I am also alaramed by people who hold a double standard towards items, save fish (provided I get the "bigger" fish). For example, a number of people I have encountered that do not like evoluation (sp? I am too lazy to look it up, and sleepy) because "there isn't enough data to support the theory." However, they have no issue jumping onto the YEC or OEC bandwagons. How come? If the science, complete as it is, is questionable, I can must assuredly question your support, or rather complete lack thereof. There is little to no support, outside of Gensis (which, I can say will not hold up in board of science review), these "statements." This bugs me, and is, to me, like willful ignorance a small minded feature. I could go on but I am not sure why I should.

[dUSt]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Feb 7 2005, 09:55 PM'] That's not what I was implying and you know it.  The fact of the matter is this: you allow minors to have accounts.  You claim the site is fine for any age group.  Whether or not the content is orthodox is irrelevant.  It is a subject matter better dealt with by parents.  In fact, the Church stongly upholds that it is the right and duty of parents to teach their kids about these matters when they decide their kids are ready for it.  I'm not saying don't allow these discussions.  I'm just saying that I don't think they should be in the public sphere due to their sensitive nature.  How difficult would it be to set up a room like the NFP room for discussions of a more sensitive nature?  (I'm honestly asking here).  It's your site though.  Do what you want. [/quote]
I understand your argument. I agree that parents should be the primary teachers of their kids. I don't think that phatmass will affect these kids as much as ones that [b]don't[/b] have good parental guidance. I know of a few members who have parents that don't even support them being Catholic.

I'm not so concerned about the kids who have good parental guidance. I think it's important to educate those that do [b]NOT[/b] have parental guidance.You know--the ones who can watch MTV anytime they want. You know, MTV? The channel that shows homosexual men making out in the shower? The channel that promotes multiple sex partners? Those are the kids who are exposed to the deterioration of this culture. Those are the ones who need to see issues such as that addressed in positive, constructive, [b]Catholic[/b] ways. And unfortunately, you know as well as I do, that [b]most[/b] kids growing up in America today get to watch MTV any time they want.

[traichuoi]

[quote name='rachael' date='Feb 7 2005, 03:21 PM'] yea.



If you take an Oriental person and spin him around
several times, does he become disoriented?





sorry. must leave now.

:leave: [/quote]
a person can't be Oriental.

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 7 2005, 04:07 PM'] It's been brought up that phatmass isn't the safest place for teens because of some of the topics that get discussed here.

[b]Question to teens:[/b] Has phatmass made you stronger in your faith? Has phatmass made you doubt your faith?

Thoughts? [/quote]
As the baby of Phatmass... there are few things that have brought me closer to the Faith than this website. And it's never made me question my faith. Never. I read the debate table as often as the open mic, and seeing "questionable" topics only makes one stronger... there's always a faithful Catholic to clear things up. Anything "really bad" gets deleted (or was sent to the back alley in the "old days") and you can't get into places such as the NFP forum without a password... so, no, I don't think PM is dangerous to teens.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Feb 7 2005, 11:18 PM'] For example, a number of people I have encountered that do not like evoluation (sp? I am too lazy to look it up, and sleepy) because "there isn't enough data to support the theory." However, they have no issue jumping onto the YEC or OEC bandwagons. How come? If the science, complete as it is, is questionable, I can must assuredly question your support, or rather complete lack thereof. There is little to no support, outside of Gensis (which, I can say will not hold up in board of science review), these "statements." This bugs me, and is, to me, like willful ignorance a small minded feature. I could go on but I am not sure why I should. [/quote]
It's also pretty beaver dam annoying when people refuse to look at scientific evidence against evolution, of which there is a plentitude, as well as those who seem to think that science is the judge of the Faith rather than the other way around. Perhaps if we were all enlightened and self declared intellectuals we could understand. I suppose I'm just a willfully ignorant small minded dote. But this is not the place for that discussion.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 7 2005, 11:22 PM']

I'm not so concerned about the kids who have good parental guidance. I think it's important to educate those that do [b]NOT[/b] have parental guidance.You know--the ones who can watch MTV anytime they want. You know, MTV? The channel that shows homosexual men making out in the shower? The channel that promotes multiple sex partners? Those are the kids who are exposed to the deterioration of this culture. Those are the ones who need to see issues such as that addressed in positive, constructive, [b]Catholic[/b] ways. And unfortunately, you know as well as I do, that [b]most[/b] kids growing up in America today get to watch MTV any time they want. [/quote]
You have a point here. I don't know what the solution is. I don't know if there is one. I just don't like it.

[journeyman]

Now you ask that question? I've referred several folk here . . . don't know if they checked in or not . . . but I wouldn't have done that if I didn't think this was a safe environment. I'm too young for the back alley . . . and too old to be a teen (way too old) . . . even so, there have been some discussions here that addressed topics that I had never heard about before . . . far better to learn about them here in a caring community, than in a peer pressure back alley . . . and a better shot at getting an accurate presentation too!

[crusader1234]

[quote name='voiciblanche' date='Feb 7 2005, 10:33 PM'] As the baby of Phatmass... there are few things that have brought me closer to the Faith than this website. And it's never made me question my faith. Never. I read the debate table as often as the open mic, and seeing "questionable" topics only makes one stronger... there's always a faithful Catholic to clear things up. Anything "really bad" gets deleted (or was sent to the back alley in the "old days") and you can't get into places such as the NFP forum without a password... so, no, I don't think PM is dangerous to teens. [/quote]
Does ickle Amber want a lollypop?

Anyways, the only dangerous thing about Phatmass for teenagers is that it might lead to awkward situations at school.

Me: Hey Geoff whats up?
Geoff: Not a ton you?
Will: Hey Rich guess what Ironmonk said...
Goeff:
Me:
Will: Uhh... nevermind. Long story...

Other than that, I think Phatmass is 100 percent grade A goodness.

[Colleen]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Feb 7 2005, 10:32 PM']Does ickle Amber want a lollypop?    [/quote]
Hey, that's my awesome little Phatmass sister!

I will be a teen for only one more month, and I must say that Phatmass has had a tremendous impact on my life. It's helped me in more ways than I think I even realize. It's been nearly a year that I have been here and during that time, I have learned so much, I've grown much more in my faith, and I've met so many wonderful people who, like me, actually care about their faith.

Where I live, there aren't many young, orthodox Catholics. Phatmass gives me hope for my generation. There are so many awesome people here who are really striving to know, love, and serve God better. It's so awesome and so encouraging to see.

So is Phatmass dangerous to teens? I don't think so at all. It's certainly not harmed me in any way (except maybe for the fact that I'm extremely addicted to this place now ). I think that it has done so much good for people and for the Church in ways that we don't even know or realize. Even when sensitive issues come up, it's really awesome to see people putting forth the Truth. I don't think Phatmass harms teens in any way.

[Guest Aluigi]

I'm doing what I hate to see people do, posting without reading the thread. If it's been brought up before then ignore me.

But teens are exposed to this c rap in the world all over the place. PhatMass happens to be the one place I learned the proper response to such carp. I was an exception that got into the Back Alley under-18 and because of that know a lot about MORAL sex. Now what is wrong with that? That's freakin sweet. Having homosexuals here simply helps me know that they gotta be chaste like any other single person and beyond that (psychology, whether they should seek to change their orientation, et cetera) are debatable issues. The transgendered thread was the only iffy thing because there was no strong orthodox Catholic position layed out. That is because we're a bunch of confused laymen that have yet to be instructed by the magisterium. Using reason we may conclude that a procedure would be self-mutilation. Strictly reading that artical we see that regardless of whether or not there is a procedure, that doesn't change the sex of the person. So there we are confused. Ironmonk, usually a bastion of information, provided nothing of value to the convo. No one had anything except compassion for the people struggling with a gender identification crises. We could offer nothing else being ourselves ignorant and confused on the subject.

So most adult subjects: GOOD to expose teens to in the Catholic sense. Why? Otherwise they'll learn it in the secular sense. In 9th grade I had no opinion on abortion or homosexuality or anything. I was prey for any intellectual predator to mold into a secular humanist liberal wacko. Church, EWTN, and PhatMass gave me strong convictions that help me avoid untruths. PhatMass especially precisely because it talked straitforward about Catholic Morality and tough issues. For instance, I used to convince myself masturbation was okay. Until PhatMass I was never strong in any conviction against it. You have to bring these issues to the forefront, show them as real things. There are homosexuals in the real world that would convince teens that Catholics are homophobes and transexual haters, but perhaps they saw on PhatMass the love and compassion of Christ without comprimising the Truth of Christ and His Church.

[Crusader_4]

Hmm my opinion is tha Phatmass is great for teens. I want to add my two cents on something i live in a great Christian home but not catholic. I need some catholic insight into issues and opinnon quite often i cannot get anywhere else (altho i can at school im lucky i go to an orthodox school). I think phatmass is not bad for teens because most teens face these issues abortion, sexuality, drugs, gangs, and a whole whack of other issues. It is the reality of the youth know and its not something that needs to be put in the back alley. Its something that needs to be confronted by the faithful...according to our Holy Magesterium. Phatmass does this and it provides great insight to moral issues facing not only adults but many teens.

[jmjtina]

This is totally in reference to the threads that were in open mic particularly about the homosexual/trans/etc disorder people have, right? Other than that, as long as we stay orthodox, defend our faith, hate the sin and love the sinner, we'll be okay. If no one is there to defend the Catholic position without making it seem as if we are compromising it, then we need to close the thread. (But that's where Church faithful, catholic lurkers, and Church militant come in) But if it is being talked about in a mature fashion (which, reading from spar, throws alot of maturity out the window), with love and charity, and still holding fast to the teachings of Christ, we have alot to learn from each other.

McJust is one of the most orthodox Catholics I know! (I mean he lives by San Juan!!!) His wife was right on. I'm sorry he and other defenders (Apothethun states fact after fact and gets jumped on because he doesn't use politically correct terms) get alot of that krap. It's in times like those, we do need to stick with educating peeps on the faith, rather than running on our own weak human emotions to justify the sin we live.

pax.

Edited February 8, 2005 by jmjtina

[jmjtina]

phatmass is dangerous. VERY dangerous for teens.

if they throw out only [b][i]one phatmass [/i][/b]shirt into a crowd of 1000 screaming junior high kids, it is VERY dangerous.

it could kill ya.