Fides_et_Ratio Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 So I'm probably merely only incredibly slow at recognizing this, however, in a debate about the Eucharist, it was mentioned to me that when Jesus is giving the bread of life discourse there is no bread present for him to say "this is my body"... so, upon closer inspection in my response I suddenly realized... In all the Last Supper accounts there are the words "THIS is my body": [quote]Mat 26:26 "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this(5124) is my body."[/quote] [quote]Mar 14:22 "And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this(5124) is my body." [/quote] [quote]Luk 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave unto them, saying, This(5124) is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.[/quote]" (the strong's numbers indicate that the "this" is referring to a "thing") Now, in John 6, it is somewhat reversed... but there IS bread in the passage: [quote]John 6:50 "This(3778) is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die."[/quote] (the "This" is referring to Jesus... i.e., Jesus is referring to Himself) Thus, without physical bread for them to see and Him to proclaim "THIS is my [i]body[/i]", Jesus instead turns it around and points to Himself proclaiming "THIS is the [i]bread[/i]" I can't believe I never saw that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Yeppers peppers Reading the Bible will really bring forth a lot of things that are sometimes over looked, and you read it enough and you get really good with cross referencing like you just did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal4Christ Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 That is way cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 (edited) Awesome. A couple of other things to note: John 6 occurs at the passover (v. 6:4) 1 yr. before Matt 26 John 6 says my flesh is true food, my blood is true drink matt 26 says This is my body, this is my blood. In John 6 the betrayer is prophesied. In matt 26 he is revealed. Peter also has a prominent role, expressing his faith in both places. Also to go with what you are saying Jesus says in john 6 "The bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world". Now who would doudt this is an allusion to the cross? Edited February 5, 2005 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 I believe it was augustine who said "he held himself in his own hands". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ave Maria Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 JMJ That is so beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 That was something we were taught in college, but I hadn't thought of it in years!!!!!! Thanks for the reminder. Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Cam42, ur back!! where ya been bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 What up phat? I've been busy with work and the Work. There is no circle in Detroit, so I have had to improvise. It is kinda hard, but I am committed to the Work. Anywhoo, I am back and I am gonna be a postin' machine.... See ya on the boards..... Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isadore96 Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Thats pretty interesting--good observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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