I'm Done.

[Good Friday]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl']Please do not assume people leave because of "pride".
Assuming such is presumptous and you really haven't a clue.

Iron and especially Jas have been here for years and are good Catholics and good people.[/quote]
Yes, and of course the rest of us are just bad. I've been here longer than Ironmonk, by the way.

But this isn't really about Ironmonk or jasJis, this is about you picking on Teresa. You and a few others didn't like the way she ran the NFP forum and thought you could do better -- because you can [b]always[/b] do better than other people, isn't that right? -- so you've decided you'll pick on her indefinitely, probably until she leaves. There's a [b]good Catholic[/b] for you. I think it was you who insinuated that she didn't have any integrity, or maybe that was HSMom. Whatever. Whichever of you it was, I ask you: What kind of Catholic integrity do you display when you follow someone around the forum to criticize everything they say because you don't like them and want them to leave?

It's appalling, given your behavior toward Teresa for weeks now, that you are still a moderator. dUSt shouldn't let people who can't be civil toward the other moderators continue to be moderators -- and yes, I [b]have[/b] addressed this with him privately. He of course has done nothing about you, and so I am addressing it publicly now.

You should be stripped of your moderator privileges. Teresa was right and you were wrong, and you just can't stand it. That shows too much pride on your part to be a moderator.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 5 2005, 05:18 PM'] The Truth:
Ironmonk has been warned for uncharitable behavior [b]NINE[/b] seperate times by four different moderators. His suspension (short, in comparison to other people's suspensions) was not because of any specific post, but the accumulation of [b]ALL[/b] the times he's been warned.

No e-mail has been sent to me privately with concern over any of the issues coming up in this thread.

I'll leave it at that. Thank you for all of you who remain faithful to phatmass and our mission of promoting orthodoxy within the Church.

God bless. [/quote]
Yes... Let's talk about it.

The 7 other times are irrelivant. This one time is what I'm talking about. I should not have been warned.


[quote]
From: "phatmass phorum" <webmaster@phatmass.com>
To: iron_monk@hotmail.com
Subject: 7 Day Suspension
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:49:35 -0500


ironmonk,

dUSt has sent you this email from [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php[/url].


I consider this a direct diss on me and phatmass: "What is inappropriate is that this type of stuff be allow to posted on a "Catholic" message board."

Since this is your eighth warning, I have to suspend you in order to be fair and consistent across the board.

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Please note that phatmass phorum has no control over the
contents of this message.
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Regards,

The phatmass phorum team.
[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php[/url]

[/quote]




1) It wasn't a "dis".
2) Some of the "warnings" I received where wrong. God forbid anyone point out the truth around here to some people.
3) It has been a while since any "warning" has happened. Do they go down over time - no, a major flaw in the Napoleon complex system established here.
4) What saddens me the most is someone who claims that they want orthodoxy approves of such inappropriate content for their site. Then when someone wants to be orthodox about it, they get "warned".
5) This isn't the only reason why I'm done... if dust disagrees yet cannot back up his stance with Church documents - he'll just close the thread. [b]Which, he has that right it is his board[/b], I'm going to spend my time on boards that I know will be orthodoxy and have respect for modesty - or anti-Catholic boards.
6) What is uncharitable on this board is when certain babies cry on it that someone is uncharitable instead of asking someone to clarify what they mean, the innocent get "warned".
7) This is a laymen board like any other on the net - leaving it is not going off to one's on sect.
8) I have no hard feelings - I know that there are many Catholics make bad choices - warning/suspending me over this was a bad choice - This combined with points 5 & 6 - are why I'm gone.
8) I've got a warning - I'll leave it at that.



There was nothing to be warned about over stating the fact that the threads did not belong on the forum.

Oh, side note to Dan aka Alina - I'm not ignorant of ssa's thinking they're in the wrong body - All are in the right body... God made us - not man. You've got a lot to learn. You've been told wrong. God does not make mistakes. If you want to talk genetics and such - come to Moral Truth. I've mapped dna, have you? I've studied these topics in depth from all sides, have you? There is no such thing as someone "transgendered" - we cannot change our gender. Gender remains as God made us. (I'm not going to see your reply on this board)

GF, Hyper - I couldn't care less of your comments . I note where something is coming from. You two have caused more issues on this site than any anti-Catholic I've seen. You have a knack for taking things out of context and running with them like when Ian Paisley quotes the Vatican. God Help You.


Everyone - God Bless, Love in Christ - ironmonk


PS. I think it would be wise to close this now.

Edited February 6, 2005 by ironmonk

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Feb 5 2005, 09:13 PM'] [quote name='cmotherofpirl']Please do not assume people leave because of "pride".
Assuming such is presumptous and you really haven't a clue.

Iron and especially Jas have been here for years and are good Catholics and good people.[/quote]
Yes, and of course the rest of us are just bad. I've been here longer than Ironmonk, by the way.

But this isn't really about Ironmonk or jasJis, this is about you picking on Teresa. You and a few others didn't like the way she ran the NFP forum and thought you could do better -- because you can [b]always[/b] do better than other people, isn't that right? -- so you've decided you'll pick on her indefinitely, probably until she leaves. There's a [b]good Catholic[/b] for you. I think it was you who insinuated that she didn't have any integrity, or maybe that was HSMom. Whatever. Whichever of you it was, I ask you: What kind of Catholic integrity do you display when you follow someone around the forum to criticize everything they say because you don't like them and want them to leave?

It's appalling, given your behavior toward Teresa for weeks now, that you are still a moderator. dUSt shouldn't let people who can't be civil toward the other moderators continue to be moderators -- and yes, I [b]have[/b] addressed this with him privately. He of course has done nothing about you, and so I am addressing it publicly now.

You should be stripped of your moderator privileges. Teresa was right and you were wrong, and you just can't stand it. That shows too much pride on your part to be a moderator. [/quote]



I rest my case. My point is proven again.

Nate, whatever your first inclination is on something... think of it as wrong, then think of what else others could mean.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 5 2005, 05:42 PM'] dUSt:


It's people who just have had their pride hurt.  Nothing more, nothing less. [/quote]
Wrong.

It's because inappropriate material was on the board and I was warned/suspended bacause of pointing out that it was inappropriate.



God Bless.

Edited February 6, 2005 by ironmonk

[Good Friday]

[quote name='dUSt']If it is God's will, I accept it with courage. I am truly hurt though--and it is times like these that make me question if my efforts with phatmass are even worth it in the first place.[/quote]
As critical as I am of Phatmass at times, it is still a good forum. You make errors in judgement like all people do, and your moderators make [b]many more[/b] errors in judgement, to the point of publicly picking on other moderators (as we've seen in this thread).

But as Katie pointed out, the good that can be clearly seen -- Adam and Teresa, for instance, or Paladin D, or a multitude of others -- make these skirmishes seem like nothing. jasJis and Ironmonk are ticked off that GLBT Catholics have issues that they need to discuss with our Catholic brothers and sisters, and they're ticked off that you'll let us -- they'd rather we didn't exist, they'd rather we left the Church, they'd rather we weren't Christians at all.

As Teresa said, it's pride. They think they're right and they're sure you're wrong, and so they'll leave if you don't immediately bend to their will. Mind you, Ironmonk has left before, "stormed off" to his own forum -- only to come back a few weeks later. jasJis didn't post for a long time anyway, and when he did it was just to be rude to Hyper and spathariossa. He probably couldn't believe that a transgendered Catholic existed, and he wanted to make sure that SHE would leave and not come back, and maybe leave the Church as well. Then he wouldn't have to deal with the fact that his Church is a hospital for sinners instead of a museum for saints. He could go on believing in Catholic psedo-OSAS.

They'll both get over it. And if they don't, so what? They're two people, out of . . . how many? . . . who visit this forum and get something positive from it. As Abraham Lincoln said: "You can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time -- but you can't please all of the people all of the time." If they're so prideful that they can't stand to be here without getting every inch of their way, then they shouldn't be here anyway.

[ironmonk]

BTW last I looked it was like 26 to 13 that it was wrong to suspend me.

That's it, just kill the poll.... LOL

Education is great isn't it.

[Good Friday]

[quote name='ironmonk']I rest my case. My point is proven again.

Nate, whatever your first inclination is on something... think of it as wrong, then think of what else others could mean.[/quote]
I thought you were leaving? Suddenly, you're . . . here.

[Theoketos]

I told him he would be a punk if he left. He does listen to wisdom most of the time.

Edited February 6, 2005 by Theoketos

[Apotheoun]

Someone please close this thread.

[rachael]

personally, i think many people on here are too prideful and close-minded.

[argent_paladin]

I think that the central misunderstanding here is quite small. Here is the sentence in question:

"What is inappropriate is that this type of stuff be allow to posted on a "Catholic" message board."

I think what dUSt was offended by was referring to Phatmass as a "'Catholic' message board". By putting the word "Catholic" in quotes, you implied that this site, that he built and puts in much effort to preserve, is not Catholic, that is, it is not faithful to the Magisterium. That would be about the worst think you could say to him, I think. He has worked very hard to make sure that this site is Catholic. This is a Catholic message board, and it was inappropriate of IronMonk to imply otherwise.
Catholic means "universal" and we should welcome all points of view and all backgrounds.
Perhaps you should not have been suspended for this, but you should understand that your "catholic" barb struck at the very heart of the community we have created.
I am very new here, but not new to Catholic controversy or infighting. Even the disciples fought one another and were riven with division. Perhaps you should stay away for a little while but you will, I am sure, be welcomed back.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Feb 5 2005, 10:59 PM'] I think that the central misunderstanding here is quite small. Here is the sentence in question:

"What is inappropriate is that this type of stuff be allow to posted on a "Catholic" message board."

I think what dUSt was offended by was referring to Phatmass as a "'Catholic' message board".  By putting the word "Catholic" in quotes, you implied that this site, that he built and puts in much effort to preserve, is not Catholic, that is, it is not faithful to the Magisterium. That would be about the worst think you could say to him, I think. He has worked very hard to make sure that this site is Catholic. This is a Catholic message board, and it was inappropriate of IronMonk to imply otherwise.
Catholic means "universal" and we should welcome all points of view and all backgrounds.
Perhaps you should not have been suspended for this, but you should understand that your "catholic" barb struck at the very heart of the community we have created.
I am very new here, but not new to Catholic controversy or infighting. Even the disciples fought one another and were riven with division. Perhaps you should stay away for a little while but you will, I am sure, be welcomed back. [/quote]
That comment was directed at [i]good [/i]friday - quotes denotes stressing the topic. Now, the italics is tongue in cheek. I don't want anyone thinking wrong on that one.

I wouldn't think that a comment directed at someone else was a sign of disrespect to me. Why should I think anyone else would.

This has nothing to do with Catholics having issues they need to talk about - this has to do with when and where to talk about them.

God forbid someone have a different opinion (and can back it up) than some of the super sensitives here.

Anyone who thinks that the threads where ok on a Catholic board have a lot to learn about the Catholic Faith....

Here's the Catechism - If I'm wrong - Show me and I'll change. If I'm right - then change.
[url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/entiretoc1.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/entiretoc1.htm[/url]

Oh, nate - I started this thread - I am gone - I'm not surfing any others. So you'll have to find someone else to blame your schism and heresies on. You are not one to talk. I have not "stormed off" ever. One other time I mentioned I was done, but decided to come back at request.... I'm done.

Those that ask me not to leave, I ask you to post on [url="http://www.MoralTruth.com"]http://www.MoralTruth.com[/url] if you would like to dialog. This is dust's board... and I'm not staying somewhere I will get suspened for stating something true. One would think that people who run boards would realize "maybe I'm taking it the wrong way".... Those who scream about charity most here have the most to learn about it.


God Bless.
ironmonk

Edited February 6, 2005 by ironmonk

[toledo_jesus]

such a pointless discussion.
really guys, let's keep it in perspective here. Ironmonk, if you leave now you won't be able to share your knowledge with impressionable teens and others, but the world won't end and Phatmass will go on. GF, you're instigating trouble. Knock it off and be a grown up. I'm sorry you've got problems, but guess what...the majority of the world (and this site) doesn't have time to deal with them. We'll help you out if you'll accept it, but you obviously don't want help. Monk, running away because of a little suspension is not helping your case at all.

I suppose that if all the hot tempers leave, it will be more room for those of us who can get along.

[u][b]Perspective.[/b][/u]

[Azriel]

Amen Toledo.

You know, anyone ever noticed that the phamily seems to continue to function even through the drama...the nitpicking, the fighting?

Anyone ever notice that PM continues to GROW, despite, or because of our ability to be a cohesive, if not at times disfunctional phamily?

Families quarrel. Families will indeed get over it. And the truth of the matter is that PM is a great place, with a great Admin, and great people. Most of the time.

Maybe its time to just step away from the keyboard, and just stop and think.

[hopeful1]

jasjis and monk, i love you guys on pm, and i know this place won't be the same without you. if you feel like you need to take a break from here for awhile, please do so if you feel you must. but please come back. we still have so much to learn from the both of you. please don't leave...at least not for too long.