I'm Done.

[hyperdulia again]

[color=red][Edited by Kilroy the Ninja. Sadly uncharitable.] [/color] I will mourn neither of you, but I will pray that God awakens you both from your insufferable rigorism, before it lands you in Hell. No one on any of threads in quetion about "ssa" said anything that contradicted Church teaching--they simply responded to persons as persons.

Edited February 5, 2005 by Kilroy the Ninja

[toledo_jesus]

why would you want to get banned?
This is all pretty stupid.

Edited February 5, 2005 by toledo_jesus

[crusader1234]

I repeat: people are bored. Lets stop indulging this morbid desire for controversy. If we have nothing to purposeful argue about, lets enjoy the peace and head over to the Word Forum where there's a Bible Reading plan which is more fun anyways

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Feb 4 2005, 10:18 PM']I think my suggestion of keeping an unusual personal issue private was a good one.  It's a touchy subject, and one that children and adolescents are not adequately equipped to deal with.  Presenting the subject with an air of legitimacy is a mistake.  Church teaching is clear that homosexual activity is a no-no.  Ambiguous behavior could serve to confuse and delude young people even if  [i]unintentionally[/i] presented as legitimate.  You have to be careful.
On the other hand, heterosexual activity is right and proper within marriage.  Discussing this in a sensitive, general manner should be encouraged in the phorum or the Q&A section.  More frank discussions can be had in the NFP, among adults.  It is not to a person's credit to use sexually suggestive language in public, and this applies in the forums. 
The plain and simple truth is that heterosexuality [i]is[/i] a-okay.  Can't get around that fact.  Legitimizing homosexual activity or the lifestyle is a fruitless endeavour on a Catholic forum. 
The parties could have commiserated over PM or e-mail, and that would have been much less annoying for everyone.[/quote]
I agree, and perhaps we all need to be reminded of what the Catechism says about the virtue of modesty:

[quote name='Catechism of the Catholic Church']THE BATTLE FOR PURITY

(2520) Baptism confers on its recipient the grace of purification from all sins. But the baptized must continue to struggle against concupiscence of the flesh and disordered desires. With God's grace he will prevail
- by the virtue and gift of chastity, for chastity lets us love with upright and undivided heart;
- by purity of intention which consists in seeking the true end of man: with simplicity of vision, the baptized person seeks to find and to fulfill God's will in everything;
- by purity of vision, external and internal; by discipline of feelings and imagination; by refusing all complicity in impure thoughts that incline us to turn aside from the path of God's commandments: "Appearance arouses yearning in geniuses";
- by prayer:
I thought that continence arose from one's own powers, which I did not recognize in myself. I was foolish enough not to know . . . that no one can be continent unless you grant it. For you would surely have granted it if my inner groaning had reached your ears and I with firm faith had cast my cares on you.

(2521) Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

(2522) Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one's choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.

(2523) There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.

(2524) The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.

(2525) Christian purity requires a purification of the social climate. It requires of the communications media that their presentations show concern for respect and restraint. Purity of heart brings freedom from widespread eroticism and avoids entertainment inclined to voyeurism and illusion.

(2526) So called moral permissiveness rests on an erroneous conception of human freedom; the necessary precondition for the development of true freedom is to let oneself be educated in the moral law. Those in charge of education can reasonably be expected to give young people instruction respectful of the truth, the qualities of the heart, and the moral and spiritual dignity of man.

(2527) "The Good News of Christ continually renews the life and culture of fallen man; it combats and removes the error and evil which flow from the ever-present attraction of sin. It never ceases to purify and elevate the morality of peoples. It takes the spiritual qualities and endowments of every age and nation, and with supernatural riches it causes them to blossom, as it were, from within; it fortifies, completes, and restores them in Christ."[/quote]

God bless,
Todd

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Unfortunately it appears that this thread has also degenerated into something it wasn't meant to be.

So, at the risk of being called various and asundry names, I will close it.

God Bless you all!

[dUSt]

The Truth:
Ironmonk has been warned for uncharitable behavior [b]NINE[/b] seperate times by four different moderators. His suspension (short, in comparison to other people's suspensions) was not because of any specific post, but the accumulation of [b]ALL[/b] the times he's been warned.

No e-mail has been sent to me privately with concern over any of the issues coming up in this thread.

I'll leave it at that. Thank you for all of you who remain faithful to phatmass and our mission of promoting orthodoxy within the Church.

God bless.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Ok...I was attacked when I first joined the forum, and nothing was done about it. But guess what?! It's a public forum with a very busy webmaster. He has entrusted responisibilities to moderators to help run the board.

There's no way that the webmaster can read every single post that is posted on the forum. Not even if he had twenty-four hours in a day to spare could he. There's just too many.

Those of you 'leaving' :

I think it's a very immature decision to make. You didn't like what happened. Too bad. I deal with being attacked and insulted, and I'm still around.

What's more important? Your pride, or the mission of this board?


I'm still here. So you can obviously tell what I think is more important.



There's always more than meets the eye. Keep that in mind.

[dUSt]

[quote name='jasJis' date='Feb 3 2005, 09:50 PM'] It was bad judgement to suspend you, but it's not the first, it's just what phatmass has become, or realization it isn't what I thought it was.  I am gone as well to move on. [/quote]
This actually hurts.

I am saddened that the people I respect and admire the most seem to be the ones who feel they need to leave. That makes it pretty tough for the rest of us who share the same views and love towards the church to stay here and continue the battle.

If it is God's will, I accept it with courage. I am truly hurt though--and it is times like these that make me question if my efforts with phatmass are even worth it in the first place.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

dUSt:


It's people who just have had their pride hurt. Nothing more, nothing less.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 5 2005, 04:41 PM']
If it is God's will, I accept it with courage. I am truly hurt though--and it is times like these that make me question if my efforts with phatmass are even worth it in the first place. [/quote]
I think people like Adam and Teresa, and the many others who have come to a greater understanding of the Faith through phatmass are proof that its worth it. This drama will pass just like all drama, but the mission goes on. :wub:

[argent_paladin]

"Ironmonk has been warned for uncharitable behavior NINE seperate times by four different moderators. His suspension (short, in comparison to other people's suspensions) was not because of any specific post, but the accumulation of ALL the times he's been warned."

I thought it was something like that. Even though I have only been here a short time, I can see a spectrum of writing with charity. Sometimes it is difficult to both speak with truth and speak with charity. But that is what is called of all of us, as Christians.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 5 2005, 05:42 PM'] dUSt:


It's people who just have had their pride hurt. Nothing more, nothing less. [/quote]
Please do not assume people leave because of "pride".
Assuming such is presumptous and you really haven't a clue.

Iron and especially Jas have been here for years and are good Catholics and good people.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I will not leave.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Feb 5 2005, 02:57 PM'] Iron and especially Jas have been here for years and are good Catholics and good people. [/quote]
Hopefully both Ironmonk and JasJis will reconsider their decision to leave Phatmass, especially since the threads that concerned Ironmonk -- and others at the phorum -- were closed in a timely fashion.

God bless,
Todd

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 5 2005, 01:41 PM'] . . . it is times like these that make me question if my efforts with phatmass are even worth it in the first place. [/quote]
You must not question the good that you have done in creating a Catholic forum where people can come and learn more about the faith, and where obedience to the Church's Magisterium is encouraged as an indispensable component of a truly Christian life.