I'm Done.

[jasJis]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Feb 3 2005, 05:05 PM'] I'm done w/Phatmass. I believe it was poor judgement to suspend me and allow those threads to stay intact. [/quote]
It was bad judgement to suspend you, but it's not the first, it's just what phatmass has become, or realization it isn't what I thought it was. I am gone as well to move on.

[crusader1234]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 3 2005, 09:09 PM'] Hey, if that's a referance to my post - I was using tongue-in-cheek humor there. I called myself "reactionary, unenlightened, knuckle-draggin'"

Peace out! [/quote]
You have called me a pinko-commy-liberal NPR listenin' whatever many times in the debate table just for not agreeign with you - even if it had nothing to do with liberal/conservative values. I personally find this unacceptable behaviour. If you took debating you'd know that unjustified and unwarranted personal attacks are not neccesary and lose you the debate.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Feb 3 2005, 11:10 PM'] You have called me a pinko-commy-liberal NPR listenin' whatever many times in the debate table just for not agreeign with you - even if it had nothing to do with liberal/conservative values. I personally find this unacceptable behaviour. If you took debating you'd know that unjustified and unwarranted personal attacks are not neccesary and lose you the debate. [/quote]
Stop whining you pinko-commy-liberal NPR listenin' whatever!

[Socrates]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Feb 3 2005, 10:10 PM'] You have called me a pinko-commy-liberal NPR listenin' whatever many times in the debate table just for not agreeign with you - even if it had nothing to do with liberal/conservative values.  I personally find this unacceptable behaviour.  If you took debating you'd know that unjustified and unwarranted personal attacks are not neccesary and lose you the debate. [/quote]
And don't make false accusations. Probably the worst I've ever called you is liberal (if that). Anyway, "liberal" is not a personal attack. I do not consider "conservative" a personal attack. I've only called Iacabus a "pinko" a few times in a tongue-in-cheek manner when debating the Cold War and communism (that was apopular term back in Cold War times). "NPR-listening" is also tongue-in-cheek - and the same level as your attacks on Limbaugh, Coulter, Fox News, etc.
And I've ONLY used these terms when debating political issues.

And I've never, ever, called anyone on this site a commie!

Remember, I like liberals and pinkos a lot more than I like people who throw around false accusations!

Edited February 4, 2005 by Socrates

[toledo_jesus]

wow. this smells of elderberries. I don't think you should go. It won't matter in a week guys.
seriously, just don't do what you did and keep contributing. you'll be better off for it.

[Sinner]

Ironmonk.

Please reconsider.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Sorry it was in the Open Mic dude. I'm only moderator here in Debate.

Please don't go. But I understand if you feel you must.

May the Lord Bless you and keep you!

[Paladin D]

Don't leave, we haven't conquered the world yet!








(Seriously, don't go )

[Guest Aluigi]

very indicative of the crises in today's Church. there is first off a divide between the orthodox and the heterodox, but it is not being overcome because the orthodox split from the heterodox and the heterodox split from the orthodox into little sects thereby never achieving the true Catholic Unity we strive for.

I will admit that perhaps in this conversation I may not have been the most helpful to any orthodox position. I was in a bit of a bad place myself and didn't have the strenth to fight anything, and simply wouldn't have had the words or the proof to back them up for the topic. I saw no one come in with full and substantial orthodox guns blazing that included not only the words but the proof. If someone came with evidence about how it would be considered self-mutilation, then by all means: show the time place and text of the Church or compilation of ECFs that says such. I wouldn't contend that that exists, in fact I'm fairly certain it does. But all that was in the thread was the artical from the Vatican that said that if a person had the procedure it wouldn't change their gender. it said nothing of what their gender actually is or whatever, just that surgery is a superficial change.

If you leave, you continue to contribute to the disunity of the Church in the modern world thusly contributing to our inneffectiveness to convert the whole world. Christ stayed where Pontius Pilate was, you can stay where dUSt is (no offence to dUSt, though there is the paralel that he was probably pressured into the decision to ban you as well).

That's my thoughtful reflection on that particular discussion and my participation in it as well as your incredibly foolish decision to run away from conflict and disagreement.

[argent_paladin]

I read the entire thread to get some context, but was still unsure of how to vote. First, I would say that it would be unfair to suspend you but not suspend GF. I also think it was a bit disingenuous of Hyper to merely say "Jon left me" rather than give needed context. I did see your point and you were defending church doctrine and were provoked by GF. Still, I think that you should stay. I just joined and it would like to get to know your views better. I have a feeling that we are kindred spirits. Maybe you will change your mind in a few days or weeks. We'll always welcome you back.

[Socrates]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Feb 4 2005, 05:52 AM'] I read the entire thread to get some context, but was still unsure of how to vote. First, I would say that it would be unfair to suspend you but not suspend GF. I also think it was a bit disingenuous of Hyper to merely say "Jon left me" rather than give needed context. I did see your point and you were defending church doctrine and were provoked by GF. Still, I think that you should stay. I just joined and it would like to get to know your views better. I have a feeling that we are kindred spirits. Maybe you will change your mind in a few days or weeks. We'll always welcome you back. [/quote]
At the risk of getting suspended myself, (and not to keep harping onf the GF issue), it appears there is something of a double-standard in the moderating. It seems the moderators are much more quick to suspend/penalize conservatives of various stripes than they are a "gay activist." Do I catch a whiff of political correctness here? (I'm not attacking all moderators - I really don't know who's most directly responsible.)

Liberals here keep complaining of PM's supposed right-wing bias. I have seen no evidence of it

[toledo_jesus]

GF has voluntarily left, I think. Too bad. We'll see how long he stays away, but for the record I think the thread should have been moved here or closed. Some here may care about your personal life, but not all (c'est moi). And not all on this site are adults. I found the entire subject inappropriate and in poor taste. In my opinion, both GF and Ironmonk should have been suspended for a bit. The whole situation could have been avoided, and hopefully from now on it will be.

Personal e-mail and Instant Messenger should be used for discussion of personal problems...not a forum.

[Azriel]

Don't go.

Look. Its easy to blame moderators for the state of the phorum. We are the easy scapegoats when something doesn't sit right. But, truly none of the moderators are doing nothing but the best job they can do, with the best of intentions. I am an Open Mic Mod, and I didn't close the thread. Why? I didn't feel it violated any guidelines. It was a thread started by a member of our phamily ... whom we (most anyway) were all aware of his situation. If another moderator closed it, then I would have been fine with it because I stand behind those who dedicate time to a board when we all have other lives.

And quite frankly .... drama pops up and down in the phorum in regular cycles .. that is the way it is always going to be. There will always be someone who blames the admin or moderators ... and someone will threaten to leave, or leave for awhile.

Phatmass is home. Phatmasser's are phamily. Phamily's fight. Phamily's say things to each other that they regret. In the end, phamily's love each other.

That's really all there is to it.

[cmotherofpirl]

I hope Iron and Jas both stay.

[IcePrincessKRS]

First off, I think it would be a great loss if Ironmonk and jasJis leave phatmass permanantly. I am sad to see them go (if they decide to stay away). I hope they both reconsider.

Second, I am preeetttyyyy sure that the threads in question WERE closed.

Third, (for those that keep saying "moderators") only dUSt can suspend someone, and I'm fairly certain that corresponds to how high your warning level gets. Mods can edit, delete, close threads, and raisie warn levels (and this happens to everyone no matter what their leanings are).

Edited February 4, 2005 by IcePrincessKRS