argent_paladin Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I think that "tool of the devil" is perhaps an accurate, if not especially sensitive, description. Just as "heretic" has harsh connotations but is an accurate term, so is "tool of the devil." The intentions of the tool don't matter. A person can be good-hearted, well-meaning, etc, but still a tool. In fact, that is implied in the term tool. Luther desired to be a faithful Catholic, desired to reform the Church. He attempted orthopraxis. And tried to take the Church in a different direction. But he was an agent of dissention, division and heartache. How many millions did he damage and lead astray? But I wouldn't use the term because I don't think that it is helpful and could cause scandal. These inter-catholic debates should be for catholics only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjvail Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 (edited) Seems as tho the heretics of the Church love this word "fundamentalist". 1 a : serving as an original or generating source : PRIMARY <a discovery fundamental to modern computers> b : serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function : BASIC 2 a : of or relating to essential structure, function, or facts : RADICAL <fundamental change>; also : of or dealing with general principles rather than practical application <fundamental science> b : adhering to fundamentalism 4 : of central importance : PRINCIPAL <fundamental purpose> 5 : belonging to one's innate or ingrained characteristics : [url="http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary"]http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary[/url] Hmmm, I like it too. I'd rather be a fundamentalist than a modernist, only one of those two is a condemned hereasy. Edited February 3, 2005 by kjvail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I know some people don't like hearing this, but homosexual activity is gravely immoral, and this truth is a definitive (irrevocable) teaching of the Church. Moreover, the homosexual inclination, although not a sin, is objectively disordered; in other words, it is a form of concupiscence and so it cannot be thought of as a defining characteristic of the human person. The homosexual inclination, like all forms of concupiscence, is a disorder of the will brought about by the fall of Adam, and as such it must be resisted with the power of God's grace. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Can we not turn this into a debate about a person here? I'd like to see some discussion of Adelphopoeisis... because, really I have no idea what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Feb 3 2005, 11:04 AM'] Can we not turn this into a debate about a person here? I'd like to see some discussion of Adelphopoeisis... because, really I have no idea what that is. [/quote] Yes, I agree. I'd like to know more about adelphopoeisis. The historical basis of it, not how modern people interpret it to fit their wants. Anyways, does it have anything to do with [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13728a.htm"]Sts. Sergius and Bacchus?[/url] These two saints (who seem to share a brotherly love) are often invoked by Catholic gay-rights groups who see them as homosexual partners. Historically, is adelphopoesis only between members of the same sex, or could their be opposite sex ceremonies too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 (edited) Since my "instrument of the Devil' phrase has stirred up quite some controversy, thought I'd explain. Maybe this was a little harshly worded, and perhaps it was imprudent to make that comment, but I still think it accurate. I did not say Nathan was the devil or worshipped the devil, but I think he's (perhaps unwittingly) promoting the Devil's agenda. There was something very devious and evil in that blog, which used clever words to promote an agenda of heresy and immorality within the Church. I said to pray for his soul, and did not wish him in hell or any such statements as he has hatefully made to me and other members of phatmass. Many of his past statements show a willful hatred of God's truth and those who promote it which struck me as truly demonic. He is obviously a confused individual, but has turned down a dark path. He is clearly not ignorant of Christ's truth - he is well aware of the Church's consistent teaching and seeks to change it. Admonishing the sinner is a spiritual work of mercy. While I am all for his orthopraxy, which is a good thing, he is at the same time publicly promoting unnatural vice as a virtue and loudly trying to get the Church to change her moral teachings to accept evil as good. This whole "gay rights" agenda and other similar dissident agendas within the Church are truly the "Smoke of Satan." They have already done immense damage to the Body of Christ. They must be exposed and fought and all turns. We can only pray that Nathan turns completely from this agenda and uses his talents to promote God's truth. God bless, Socrates Edited February 3, 2005 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I'm closing this thread. If anyone wants to seriously discuss adelphopoiesis without singling out phorum members feel free to start another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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