Overpopulation

[argent_paladin]

This poll came from a discussion about George Bush and the War. I thought it deserved its own category.

[Monoxide]

Hah population is not a probably and likely will never be, dont let anyone tell you differantly.

Heres why.

According to the [url="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/"]CIA Factbook[/url]
Our earth has over 6,379,157,361 human inhabitants.

Has anyone ever been to Hong Kong? Well let me tell you about Hong Kong, it is one of the most densely populated cities on the earth, yet, people move there for a better life? A rough estimate, if 1/10th of the earths farmable land was as densely populated as parts of Hong Kong, it would support well over 500 billion people. Even if our population grows 'exponentially' as the 'experts' say it is (which I am the first to argue) it would take over 50 generations to reach this population, in which still 9/10ths of the earths arable land is unused.

Technology. Were humanity desparite enough (we are not now) we have the technology to produce enormous amounts of food in a small space. Think 3D. If it were necessary we could build a building a kilometer square and stack it very high (lets say 10 extra large storys, but being such a large base it would support enough to be the tallest building in the world by far) so in a space of 1 kilometer square we have 10 kilometers of highly controlled farmland, artificial lighting can be used or the crops genetically modified to not require intense light. 10 square kilometers of high density farmland is an insane amount. I cannot even describe. I would bet money that we could stack these super farms 50 stories high easily. Our farmers and scientists are constantly finding new and better ways to grow crops and alter crops themselves. Food is not an issue.

Space. Im certain in 50 generations we will have some sort of colonization in outer space.

Arg i decide to back up why i say that the earths population is growing exponentially. I think that we as Catholics are morally obligated to have more than 4 children I know its hard.

Exponentially yes. In a few third world countries. Everywhere else in the world we are a negative birthrate. Fertility is
1.61 in Canada per mother (2004 est.)
1.76 in USA per mother (2004 est.)
1.37 in Ukraine per mother (2004 est.)
Any fertility rate less than 2 has a decreasing population base. (Meaning population getting smaller)

(1 mother 1 father 1 child is a decreasing population). The United Nations has successfully neuteured the main resource and wealth of many countries in the world, their fertility. Even us Catholics are affected by this (Ukraine is a highly Catholic/Orthadox country). We have been indocterinated by the United Nations into thinking that population is a horrible thing and that is the furthest from the truth that you can get. Fossil fuels replenish, technology makes us more efficiant and conserves.

*funny fact for you, in the 60's the UN warned the world that the oil supply would be depleted in 1972. In 1972 they changed the date to 1982, and again in 1982 to 2000. Now they are suspiciously quiet.*

I will now explain why we need to have more than 4 children in Catholic families.\
India 2.85 Children per Mother
Bangladesh/Pakistan 3.15 Children Per Mother
Afganistan 6.78 Children per Mother
Somalia 6.91 Children per Mother
Iraq 4.40 Children per Mother
Israel 2.47 Children per Mother

Canada 1.61 Children per mother
USA 1.76 Children per mother
Ukraine 1.37 Children per mother
Italy 1.27 Children per mother
Spain 1.27 Children per mother
Russia 1.26 Children per mother
Germany 1.38 Children per mother
Britain 1.67 Children per mother
Brazil 1.97 Children per mother

Now i feel that is self explanitory. But I will state it again. Anything less than 2 children per mother is a decline in population. Notice anything interesting? Think Brazil, think Catholic, think good Catholic morals. OMG THE UNITED NATIONS HAS NEUTERED IT ITS DECLINING IN POPULATION. Hmm how about Italy. OH NO ITS BEEN NEUTERED BY CONDOMS AND STERILIZATION AND THE PILL IT HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST POPULATION DECLINES IN THE WORLD.

On the other side of the table lets think Muslim. Afganistan? Oh wow. That is exponential growth if i have ever seen it. What can we do? Oh lets go kill them faster then they can be born. Why do you think Israel does not allow the UN family planning groups and such into the country? They have hard enough time killing enough Arabs to keep the tables even much less defeat them. Numbers are everything. We must keep supplying Israel with arms or they will be lost. Wow off topic.

Wow its 1 in the morning, im slightly intoxicated and i am typing like i was 7 again. I will summarize

Dont fear overpopulation, pray for more people to be born to keep the faith alive. I have said time and time again we are a dieing breed, we are not morally supposed to be killing muslims to keep their numbers down, but that is what we are doing. We need to make love (im game) not war.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Monoxide' date='Feb 1 2005, 11:10 AM'] (1 mother 1 father 1 child is a decreasing population). The United Nations has successfully neuteured the main resource and wealth of many countries in the world, their fertility.


Britain 1.67 Children per mother


Now i feel that is self explanitory. But I will state it again. Anything less than 2 children per mother is a decline in population. [/quote]
Actually not necessarily.

This is how you work it out.

N = Births + Immigrants - Deaths - Emigrants. (per year)

If N is positive then you have a growing population.

Despite Britain's birth rate, people are living longer and at the minute our births out-number our deaths, and we have a lot of immigrants. Britain has a growing population despite our birth rate.

[argent_paladin]

Some fun with numbers at the US census site: [url="http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbnew.html"]http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbnew.html[/url]

They have this interesting graph:
[img]http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/img/worldgr.gif[/img]

Also, Steve Sailer has a [url="http://www.isteve.com/"]great site[/url], that explains why Europe is not having babies. Basically, high housing prices, high taxes and high unemployment lead to low birthrates. And that is what is happening in Europe today. To raise children, parents want to have a house, a job and some money. It makes sense.

Finally, [url="http://www.thepublicinterest.com/"]read about[/url] the dire situation in Russia.
"In all, between the eve of 1992 and the summer of 2004 the Russian Federation evidently recorded 10 million more burials than births."

BTW, I think monoxide meant that anything below 2 children per couple globally means eventual decline.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Feb 1 2005, 02:09 PM'] Also, Steve Sailer has a [url="http://www.isteve.com/"]great site[/url], that explains why Europe is not having babies. Basically, high housing prices, high taxes and high unemployment lead to low birthrates. And that is what is happening in Europe today. To raise children, parents want to have a house, a job and some money. It makes sense. [/quote]
Actually within some countries poorer people have more kids as they see it as a way out. Rich women don't have kids as it gets in the way of work.

[Rich*]

I heard somewhere that if you were to take EVERY building in the world and put them all right next to each other in the sahara desert there would still be plenty of room (can't remember the exact figure but it was around half full!).
there's plenty of space left on the earth, the main problem is that it isn't being used particularly wisely!

God Bless, Rich

[popestpiusx]

Ahhh, the good old overpopulation debate again. This one hasn't been argued in while. Should be fun.

[Socrates]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Feb 1 2005, 06:34 AM'] Actually not necessarily.

This is how you work it out.

N = Births + Immigrants - Deaths - Emigrants. (per year)

If N is positive then you have a growing population.

Despite Britain's birth rate, people are living longer and at the minute our births out-number our deaths, and we have a lot of immigrants. Britain has a growing population despite our birth rate. [/quote]
The reason Britain's population is increasing is largely due to immigration. The situation is similar in America (though our birthrates are higher, and so is immigration.) Without immigration, at its current birthrates, the population in Britain would begin to decline in a couple more decades. Immigration is needed for population growth. This immigration greatly changes the nature the of the country. I read that "Mohammed" has now entered the top-ten boys' names in the United Kingdom.

[Socrates]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Feb 1 2005, 07:24 AM'] Actually within some countries poorer people have more kids as they see it as a way out. Rich women don't have kids as it gets in the way of work. [/quote]
This is actually rapidly changing with worldwide modernization/urbanization.

In a simple agricultural society, children are an economic advantage, as they mean more help on the farm, and the children will take care of the parents when they get old.

In a modern, urnanized, industrialized society, children are an economic burden. Raising children costs money, yet the children usually provide no econmic benefit for the parents. This is true in places like Europe, with its declining population.

The rapid modernization and urbanization of most of the world is a large factor in the steep global decline in birthrates.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 1 2005, 07:05 PM'] The reason Britain's population is increasing is largely due to immigration.  [/quote]

It's also to do with we have more births than deaths.

[quote]at its current birthrates, the population in Britain would begin to decline in a couple more decades.  Immigration is needed for population growth.  This immigration greatly changes the nature the of the country. [/quote]

This is true.

[quote] I read that "Mohammed" has now entered the top-ten boys' names in the United Kingdom. [/quote]


"Mohammed" is an extremely popular boy's name in Muslim society, unlike in Britain where there is no overpoweringly common boy's name. Top 10 isn't so bad when you think about it that way.

Besides, in Rome, it's [i]the[/i] most popular boy's name.

[quote]In a modern, urnanized, industrialized society, children are an economic burden.  Raising children costs money, yet the children usually provide no econmic benefit for the parents.  This is true in places like Europe, with its declining population.[/quote]

There are exeptions of course. In the North-East we have the highest teenage birth rate in Europe and the highest birth rate in the UK. This is often attributed to the fact that 1/ there is little stigma attached to broken homes 2/ There is excess housing stock here so young families can get their own home here relatively easily. 3/ People like having kids here 4/Welfare is extensive.

Edited February 1, 2005 by RandomProddy

[Socrates]

[quote]Besides, in Rome, [Mohammed]'s the most popular boy's name.[/quote]

The situation in Italy is truly tragic. Italy's population has already begun to decline and will decine steeply at current birthrates. Muslim immigration is needed to fill jobs. Europe will become a Muslim continent.

[karin]

What kind of question is that "is the world overpopulated"? That is just crazy that is saying God doesn't know what he is doing. He knows what he is doing dont question him.

[God Conquers]

we don't know what we're doing.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 1 2005, 01:55 PM']
The situation in Italy is truly tragic. Italy's population has already begun to decline and will decine steeply at current birthrates. Muslim immigration is needed to fill jobs. Europe will become a Muslim continent. [/quote]
what they couldn't accomplish by conquest a thousand years ago, they achieve by immigration.

Where is Charles Martel when we need him?

[Monoxide]

So why, as Catholics, do we condone the actions of the United Nations? They promote mass sterilizations, free condoms and various safe-sex activity in third world countries. It seems that humanism is replacing catholicism