Ted kennedy

[curtins]

im sure yall have heard kennedy's latest statement but incase you havent here it is:
"The U.S. military presence has become part of the problem, not part of the solution,"

there we have it folks- yet again another attack on our troops by the left. not only that but he said it THREE days before the Iraqi people get to express their freedom and VOTE for the first time. I am sickened by this- and all I have to say is someone give him a drink to shut him up.

[crusader1234]

Ok FIRST of all, he's partially correct. Secondly, thats not an attack on the troops.

1) One of the biggest issues in Iraq elections is that the Muslim Religious leaders are calling for a boycot of the elections while they are occupied. So, really, the presence in Iraq is a problem. Of course, there are tons of problems which would arise if they left, especially in regards to women voting, but still they are part of the problem.

2) Somebody expressing distaste for a military position is not neccesarily expressing distaste for troops. There is a world of difference there. You can support the troops without supporting the operation they are a part of. Millions of people are totally against Iraq, but the soldiers are in their prayers every night.

Speaking of drinks...

[StColette]

I'm in agreement with Crusader on this. Also instead of handing him a drink, pray for him.

[curtins]

ok but dude- hes attacking bush and the war and the troops THREE days before the elections- now you can argue all you want but you dont do that 3 days before the elections- its just wrong

[StColette]

once again like Crusader said, he's not attacking the troops, he's pointing at that the presence of our Military there may be creating an issue right now.

[curtins]

cough:::libral spin::::cough

[crusader1234]

[quote name='StColette' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:57 PM'] I'm in agreement with Crusader on this. Also instead of handing him a drink, pray for him. [/quote]
:wub:

[quote]once again like Crusader said, he's not attacking the troops, he's pointing at that the presence of our Military there may be creating an issue right now. [/quote]

:wub:

[StColette]

[quote name='curtins' date='Jan 29 2005, 11:03 PM'] cough:::libral spin::::cough [/quote]
Curtins, believe me I can tell when someone is speaking badly toward our troops, and I would be the first to call them on it. My brother and two of my cousins are presently about to be sent back over yet again, so believe me I can tell when someone is attacking our troops and when they are not.

[crusader1234]

[quote name='curtins' date='Jan 29 2005, 11:03 PM'] cough:::libral spin::::cough [/quote]
I don't even know what the heck a person is supposed to say to something like this. Try informing yourself on the situation.

[curtins]

Im quite well informed.


the fact is is that weather in your opinion he was attackin our troops or not- he SHOULD NOT have said this 3 days before iraqi elections.

[crusader1234]

Its not an attack on the troops [b]at all[/b].

[StColette]

You know if you read that sentence, he's speaking in the present form. He's not attacking the Freedom of the Iraqi people, or saying that we shouldn't have been over there at all. He's simply saying that at the present time, right now, our troops presence over there may be causing some problems. I mean look at the news some areas over there are getting worse. There are groups there that really can't stand us, and they'll keep on causing problems as long as we're there, and I'm not implying that we should just pack up and leave. We've begun something so we have to carry on with it. But it's a safe bet to make that as long as we are there, those groups who dislike us being there, will continue doing what they have been doing, which is causing more and more problems. So he's not saying that they should not have been freed or anything of that nature.

[curtins]

we cannot just retreat because there are freedom hating terrorist in the country- we must fight them and rid the country of them so that it will be stable and peace ful and democratic. and what kinda message do ted's word's send to our troops????? telling them that they are part of the problem- 3 days before elections- what kinda message does it send to the iraqi ppl????? Yup were a problem alright- see this is the way that these extreme librals think- that the US is the problem rather then the TERRORISTS. and it sickens me

[StColette]

Curtins can I give you some advice, since Lent is coming up, I think that you should stop listening to political talks and such during that time. They seem to really make you lose your temper, which isn't healthy. It would be a huge challenge to stop listening I'm sure, but think of it as a sacrifice.

[quote]we cannot just retreat because there are freedom hating terrorist in the country- we must fight them and rid the country of them so that it will be stable and peace ful and democratic.[/quote]

If you read carefully what I said, I did not say that we should retreat, I said that we've begun something over there so now we must stick with it.

[quote] and what kinda message do ted's word's send to our troops?????[/quote]

Like I said, he's not attacking our troops, he's speaking about the military presence over there. Our Military knows that some of the groups there can't stand them, heck they face them everyday, and they know their presence there creates some situations.

Anyway, all I can suggest is you pray for those people over there, for all troops, for Ted Kennedy, for all those in our government and the governments of the entire world, and pray especially for the terriorists.

Mt 5:

44 But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:
45 That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.

[crusader1234]

[quote name='curtins' date='Jan 29 2005, 11:30 PM'] we cannot just retreat because there are freedom hating terrorist in the country- we must fight them and rid the country of them so that it will be stable and peace ful and democratic. [/quote]
The problem isn't they don't want a democracy, the problem is that they don't want the Americans there for the elections.

[quote]and what kinda message do ted's word's send to our troops????? telling them that they are part of the problem- 3 days before elections- what kinda message does it send to the iraqi ppl????? [/quote]

Teds words aren't directed at the troops or the Iraqi people. All of them already know! The Religious leaders there have been protesting the presence of the troops during elections for a while, and I'm sure that the Iraqi people and the troops know this.

[quote]Yup were a problem alright- see this is the way that these extreme librals think- that the US is the problem rather then the TERRORISTS. and it sickens me[/quote]

Ok, first of all - Iraqi people aren't terrorists. It sickens ME that you think that. There is no proven connection between Iraq and 9/11. Thats right wing propaganda. So really, nobody can support the terrorists here. And as for 'extreme liberals' thinking that the US is the problem? Jennie and I are both not extreme liberals. Again, the Religious Leaders have condemned voting in the elections so long as the occupation by the USA remains. This means that THE OCCUPATION IS A PROBLEM. Of course, if you left, it would cause other problems... but that doesn't change the fact that the USA is a problem.