Oik Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Lol. That sounds good to me! Hey, I thought the computers in the library were for search only. I got yealled at for "checking my e-mail," aka talking on PhatMass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Jan 30 2005, 05:14 PM'] We can discuss all the instances of the word "charism" in the Catechism and the Scriptures and what that word truly designates. [/quote] It's from the Greek for grace or gift. It's pretty generic and the exact meaning depends mostly on context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I was half joking. I have wireless.. so I wasn't using library computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 lol Oik. Yea, you have to be careful who is walking by. I always keep a library search page ready to pop up on the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 By the way, I tend to think that there is not such a conflict between charismatics and tradition. The charismatic movement simply seems to be a phase of the development of mysticism within the Church and the difference between traditional mysticism and the charismatic movement doesn't seem to be in the gifts themselves, but in the context in which those gifts are placed...the society and the Springtime of the Church in the midst of the new evangelization and this vibrant and rich period in our Church's history, whereas previous centuries treated mysticism as something to be kept in the shadows of monasteries. Think that the charismatic movement is just as mystical as any other particularly mystical times in our Church...it's just that mysticism seems to be coming out of that and into the springtime...the blooms are opening and the shoots are budding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Fides...wireless I want wireless...dumb Trinty East off-campus dorm! (Actually, I like it) [quote]I always keep a library search page ready...[/quote] LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Raph, that's a good way to put it. That's what I mean. However, I think were we might disagree is that Charismatic and Traditional mysticism are to me one in the same. I don't see the distinction in Theology or spirituality. I do however, see a difference in physicality (or how gifts are manifested). I don't think that the "Charismatic Renewal" really has anything new to offer, I think it's the same mysticism. When I pray, quietly, I feel the intense burning of the Holy spirit. Is this not "Charismatic?" The highest sense of this comes at consecration at Mass. Now, this is an internal prayer, but what makes it not Charismatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 "However, I think were we might disagree is that Charismatic and Traditional mysticism are to me one in the same" Bingo was his name oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='Oik' date='Jan 30 2005, 05:58 PM'] Raph, that's a good way to put it. That's what I mean. However, I think were we might disagree is that Charismatic and Traditional mysticism are to me one in the same. I don't see the distinction in Theology or spirituality. I do however, see a difference in physicality (or how gifts are manifested). I don't think that the "Charismatic Renewal" really has anything new to offer, I think it's the same mysticism. When I pray, quietly, I feel the intense burning of the Holy spirit. Is this not "Charismatic?" The highest sense of this comes at consecration at Mass. Now, this is an internal prayer, but what makes it not Charismatic? [/quote] No, actually, I agree with your assertion. I think that there is no real distinction in gifts, but only in social context and that those gifts are now being prompted more outwardly. I mean that most people have some mystical gifts, many or few, but most keep them to themselves. I think that our society, in all its evils, and our Church, in it's becoming more outward and in its general renewal, are causing more people to be confident that their gifts are something to share and "build up" the Church, as St. Paul says, whereas before they were quiet. There is no distinction so far as God's action in man is concerned, but only in that our environment is now more open to receive those actions...it is the new springtime...the soil is tilled. And I would say that what you are feeling is a consolation and would be a gift. If it's a gift, then it is a charism, and if a charism, then charismatic and mystical. What we must be most careful about is that we are adoring the God of consolations and not the consolations of God. I think that is where most of the fear about these gifts come into play, and it is a valid fear and one expressed by many saints. That is why I said that it requires vigilant discernment and prayer and it is why St. Paul said to pray with the mind and not just with the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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