jp2_rules Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='StColette' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:04 PM'] ummm safe to say I'm joining Apotheoun and not ever going lol [/quote] *sigh*. please, don't knock it till you've tried it. you can't base your opinion of a FOP strictly upon others' views. you really should give it a shot sometime. and to Bro Adam: why did you say things weren't in line w/ the deposit of faith? St. Iranaeus of Lyons, who coined the phrase, stated that it was the 'infinite riches of salvation'. i can understand how perhaps all of the things done aren't correct(and even then, i'm not quite sure how i feel about all of that), but are they really going against the 'deposit of faith'? just wondering on your word choice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:13 PM'] I'm thinking about trying to start a group for non-FOP goers. maybe we can all get together and somehow. I'm thinking maybe do a holy hour together and then watch TV and play cards at the Pub. [/quote] Sounds much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 jennie, dont judge all FOPs by that one....like i said, ours at our parish is VERY different that that one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) [quote name='jp2_rules' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:14 PM'] *sigh*. please, don't knock it till you've tried it. you can't base your opinion of a FOP strictly upon others' views. you really should give it a shot sometime. [/quote] I'll probably try it once I get there, but I have this strong feeling that I'll be right with Bro Adam on this one. I'm not a big charasmatic person, and when it comes to prayer time or such I like it quiet otherwise I can't concentrate lol. More power to the people who can do that, but I'm not one of them. I've been to a few things that are somewhat similar to what Bro Adam described and it really wasn't for me. lol Plus I'm not too keen on huge crowds, when it comes time for me to praise Christ I like it quiet, calm, and personal, kinda hard to do that with a whole lot of other people around lol Edited January 30, 2005 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp2_rules Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:13 PM'] I'm thinking about trying to start a group for non-FOP goers. maybe we can all get together and somehow. I'm thinking maybe do a holy hour together and then watch TV and play cards at the Pub. [/quote] lol i think one thing you all don't understand is that not all of the laying on of hands and praying on tongues is what a FOP is all about. it's more of what Fr. John Gordon is about, and since he was leading for a time tonight(and only about half the time), that's where he went with things. don't become anti-FOP because the priest said to lay hands on ppl and pray for them. and there's nothing wrong with praying [i]for [/i]ppl, either. as long as we understand that we are not the ones bestowing any graces/blessings upon ther person, there is nothing wrong w/ laying your hands on someone. one thing this university has, that honestly makes me angry, is those who are extremely traditional or charismatic. i actually wrote a paper on that last semester for one of my classes. ppl can only think their one way, and are not open to see the beauty of the other side. i am neither very trad nor very charismatic. i can see the beauty of both, and have learned to love them. i hate sooooo much how ppl here have to hold this strong dislike towards the other group. we talk about christian unity, we need unity just between the trads and charismatics!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='jp2_rules' date='Jan 29 2005, 11:14 PM'] and to Bro Adam: why did you say things weren't in line w/ the deposit of faith? St. Iranaeus of Lyons, who coined the phrase, stated that it was the 'infinite riches of salvation'. i can understand how perhaps all of the things done aren't correct(and even then, i'm not quite sure how i feel about all of that), but are they really going against the 'deposit of faith'? just wondering on your word choice.... [/quote] I did not intend to say that the idea of a charasmatic gathering was not in line with it, I meant some things happening there I do not believe are kosher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I'm split on this. I know a few people who've had mystical experiences and a few people who are straight out mystics. I realize that there is a group of people who certainly pretend in order to belong. I am certain that there are some at FUS, as well. However, I am not certain that it is fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I do believe that some people genuinely do speak and pray in tongues. I also believe that there are several places where God is gathering an army, and I believe that one of them is Steubenville. Don't get me wrong...I'm the guy who stands and sings along to praise and worship but who never puts his arms in the air. However, I think that it is wrong to consider all mystical experiences as false. Most people on this site have probably received consolations at certain times. There are such things as false consolations and there are such things as people convincing themselves that they are having consolations. However, with proper discernment, one can find out what is going on. A primary way to do this is to look at the fruits of the action. If it bears good fruit, it's probably not from Satan. Another way is to look at the motivation...if a person wants consolation for the sake of consolation, then it is misplaced motivation. If however a person loves God and will love God with or without consolation, and uses consolations in order to inspire more devotion to God and to understand God more fully by allowing those consolations to elevate the mind and heart, then it is properly placed motivation. I do not think that everyone at Steubenville is faking. Perhaps some...possibly many...but not all. I do not think that it is ever right to close yourself off to what could be genuine gifts. Rather, we should open ourselves to gifts of God, whichever gifts He wishes to give us, and discern them carefully to make certain that they are genuine by examining the fruits as well as our motivations constantly. St. Paul tells us in reference to using gifts that they should "build up" ourselves, but more importantly, the Church. He also tells us explicitly of the gift of tongues that we must pray not only with spirit but with mind. If a person prays with tongues and does so genuinely, then he or she will be able to concentrate on God and the experience will bring about a closer communion with God, a greater holiness, etc. We cannot be so scrupulous in our approach to gifts...if we cannot accept gifts honestly from God, discerning all the while and making sure that they are aimed toward service, then we can never trust our discernment and we must abandon all hope of ever finding peace in the midst of uncertainty. That said, I agree with the general consensus that the FOP is likely not well organized at the least and seems to be geared toward being a public spectacle...that it is "not kosher" as Adam put it...but I will not judge that each individual has this at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I'd much rather pray an akathist to Jesus or Mary in my dorm room than go to a FOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:29 PM'] I'd much rather pray an akathist to Jesus or Mary in my dorm room [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 did anybody like my joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='mulls' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:53 PM'] did anybody like my joke? [/quote] I thought it was cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 hey mulls let see if you know this one! what is the best thing to use to wash an track athletics shoes? running water hahaha boy im lame okay sorry hijack over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 29 2005, 11:29 PM'] I'd much rather pray an akathist to Jesus or Mary in my dorm room than go to a FOP. [/quote] Tell Bro. Adam to add that to the card game at the pub, and I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 He is probably right up front with his hands raised high praising JESUS! LOL, seriously tho... there is nothing wrong with praising Jesus and praying in tongues... it's an awesome experience when done in the presence of people who really have the gifts. FUS is like sooooo popular for it's Charismatic'ness (is that a word?) and there are Charismatic clergy from all over the USA who attend the Priest and Deacon Conference (I happen to know a few of them). It's very real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Believe me, those of us who have stated that FOPs probably aren't for us, aren't saying that we don't believe what is being experienced there is false, but rather that's just not the way we enjoying praying. Everyone has their preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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