Sinner Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The Pro Life Movement IS closer to victory. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 how so? and that doesn't matter yet. Satan still is holding some cards. God's got all the trump though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 27 2005, 07:53 PM'] I was basing my assumptions about Jacob opposing the march on another post in open mike stating that he wouldn't attend the march and then blaming abortion on Reagan and Bush (or something, it wasn't very clear what that post was saying). [/quote] I had a post in Open Mic, to which I assume you are refering. In the said post I told Lutheirn (sp?) that even though she couldn't go to the March that she could still do a lot of good at home by praying etc. This was based on my stance that I don't think a March is going to change many minds, the vast majority of people in the US already have their minds made up on the issue. The only way to change their minds would be via a fruitful diolouge. A number of people whom attend the March have posted comments about the protesters there and so forth. A yelling match or a numbers game isn't going to bring an end to abortion soon, if it does anything it is going to prolong the shelf life thereof. I have made posts in the past that have been in support of the anti abortion movement seeking to understand the abortion rights movement and visa versa. Until there is a mutally understanding that has to arrise from finding common ground, i.e. in the words of Greene "A women wants an abortion in the same way a trapped anaimal will gnaw its leg off to escape a trap." Both sides probly agree that a women does not wake up in the morning and say "I feel like getting an abortion" like a person wakes up and says "I feel like having tacos, so very tasty and good for you,." Until a mutual comprise arrives there will be no end to abortion. THAT is why I told her that I think she may be able to do more by staying at home pray and writing a letter, thought out and logical, to her congressperson et al. The post I made in here stating that I think Reagan and Bush et al have preseved abortion is completely and totally unrelated to the other post, save that both were in threads that had the March as a topic theme. Forgive me for stepping back and trying to look at the boarded picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Does anyone here keep up with Feminists for Life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 In Winnipeg, there was recently a ruling that Healthcare didn't have to pay for private abortions (no word on hospital ones though). I personally don't think the March does much. It just makes people angry, and in my opinion its a waste of time. There are much better uses of ones time against abortion than getting cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Something tells me Iacabus and Crusader1234 have never been on a March for Life. I have been to many, and they are a very positive experience. It is a chance to show politicians and the world at large that there are many of us who care about abortion, and vote. The March is a very peaceful, prayerful event. It is not at all an angry, violent demonstration. (This is in stark contrast to pro-abortion rallies) It is old and young standing together for the unborn, praying rosaries, and enjoying companionship. The police monitering the event have a very easy job. The March helps renew one's commitment to the pro-life cause by joining with many like-minded people. Most of the years I go I never even see a "pro-choice" demonstrator. The media always distorts the reality of the event in the news coverage, by making the number of pro-lifers seem smaller, and giving undue coverage to the small numbers of "pro-choice" demonstrators. While it is true that Marches for Life and such by themselves will not end abortion, they are definately a good thing and not a "waste of time." If pro-lifers never speak out, how will we get out our message? If all pro-lifers stay silent, the world will assume we do not exist and do not matter politically. No one has to go to the March or other pro-life events, but the attitude that it is better to remain silent on the issue, and do nothing publicly for the pro-life cause, and to belittle those who do partake in such events is shameful. It shows an attitude that political partisanship and not offending liberals is more important than speaking the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Socrates, speak the truth, and God bless you for it. However, I must say that me screaming the truth from every mountain top and neglecting every poltical partnership that *may* bear fruit, offending liberals left and right isn't going to force me closer to reaching an end to abortion. That is my goal, and I assume it is yours as well. And mind this, When my priest has been confronted by members of the parish that pray outside the Abortion clinic in Rockford and say, "Father, I was praying at the abortion clinic last Thursday, why didn't I see you?" "Well, I don't see you when I pray." Is my not being involved in public "expression" (or supression) of the pro life cause make me [i]de facto[/i] for abortion rights? Do I not recall something about nearly this same thing in Matthew, I want to say Chapter Five? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 27 2005, 10:42 PM'] If pro-lifers never speak out, how will we get out our message? If all pro-lifers stay silent, the world will assume we do not exist and do not matter politically. [/quote] There are a million better ways of getting your message out than walking around in the cold. If everyone at the march were to spend the entire duration of the walk writing letters or something, I'm sure you'd get better results. I'm pro-life, I'm not pro-choice, I'm saying theres a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jan 27 2005, 11:32 PM'] There are a million better ways of getting your message out than walking around in the cold. If everyone at the march were to spend the entire duration of the walk writing letters or something, I'm sure you'd get better results. I'm pro-life, I'm not pro-choice, I'm saying theres a better option. [/quote] Many people after the march go and petition their congressmen. That's why the March was moved from it's normal date of the 22nd to a Monday this year. The March and people rallying together gives a unfied show of (peaceful) force. People actually physically traveling to Washington and crowding the place has greater impact, and shows people care enough to actaully travel and stand out in the cold to stand up for their beleifs, rather than comfortably sitting on their butts writing letters (not that there's anthing wrong with that.) Just please don't dis the March and what you don't know about. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jan 27 2005, 10:59 PM'] Socrates, speak the truth, and God bless you for it. However, I must say that me screaming the truth from every mountain top and neglecting every poltical partnership that *may* bear fruit, offending liberals left and right isn't going to force me closer to reaching an end to abortion. That is my goal, and I assume it is yours as well. And mind this, When my priest has been confronted by members of the parish that pray outside the Abortion clinic in Rockford and say, "Father, I was praying at the abortion clinic last Thursday, why didn't I see you?" "Well, I don't see you when I pray." Is my not being involved in public "expression" (or supression) of the pro life cause make me [i]de facto[/i] for abortion rights? Do I not recall something about nearly this same thing in Matthew, I want to say Chapter Five? [/quote] There is nothing wrong with private prayer, and I never meant to suggest this. I am just against the idea that it is wrong to publicly proclaim the truth. Christ and the apostles proclaimed the truth even to the point of death. They certainly were not afraid of "neglecting political partnreships." Matthew Chapter 5 (among other things) tells us to be a "light to the nations" and not hide our faith under a bushel basket. You repeatedly condemn those who vote Republican on the grounds that they will not end abortion, yet seem to consider "political partnership" with the Democratic party as the best way to end abortion. What has any Democrat on the national level done to oppose abortion? They actively and proudly promote it! This seems to me like hypocritical foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Socrates, Enjoy another 30 years of abortion, you and your cohorts shall secure it. God Bless, Iacobus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) i just love how we have to get the anti bush rehotoric going with every chance we get- FACE IT you LOST get over it- start uniting. But nope we still gotta keep up bashin bush. And I didnt just support bush cause of his moral stance- but also because if kerry was elected- our country weoul go down the tubes- he attacks our military- we would not be safe from terrorists- he cant make up his mind on just about every issue- and hes a hypocrite. I feel that I am safe with bush as president- and it will be a whole heck of alot easier to outlaw abortion under a president that doesnt support it then under a president that does support it. Edited January 30, 2005 by curtins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Edit: He changed the content of his post so... I don't get why you're bothering to bring that up. I don't think that there's any reason why a person shouldn't question the authority. Thats what America is based upon. Americans have a right, an obligation even, to bring up complaints about problems they have with the government. If somebody doesn't think Bush is the key to forwarding the pro-life movement, thats within their rights. It is stupid to think that people shouldn't bring up beefs with the President because its divisive. Whats divisive is telling people to drop their 'rhetoric'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 but all this is is the left is mad because bush won. and are you HONESTLY going to tell me that theres a better chance of outlawing abortion with kerry as president??????? come on youre smarter then that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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