DesiringMore Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 So, anyone have anything to share from their CL this week?? anything interesting? anything you want to talk further about?? any questions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt1227 Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 I was very intrigued by a discussion we had today at lunch with CL fraternity members and "heads of households" as Mike likes to call us. We talked about obedience and following. Many times I ask myself, how do I follow and be obedient without giving up my freedom? This is a difficult question. Our worldly views of these words- obedience, freedom, following- are so different than what these words truly mean. Our society says that to be free, to have freedom, is to be obedient to no one and to follow no one but ourselves. But this is not freedom. Freedom is choice, it is respect. Concretely, I obey Mike(the responsible for Evansville) when he tells me to do something, I follow his indications. I follow them because I know that he loves me and that he has experienced something greater than I have and his indications lead me to experiencing that with him. It doesn't always come easily, and I don't always want to, and sometimes, in my freedom, I don't follow. I choose to listen to his indications and alter them slightly to fit my reality, my life. I desire to experience Christ in my life in ways that I never have before, and I take my indications from those in whom I recognize Christ. I follow them. But I don't just follow them because he's in charge and I have to. I follow because I desire to. Any other thoughts on following, obedience, freedom?? I'd love to hear somebody else's take on this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 for all those who have seen LOTR3, i love the line that Sam says to Frodo right after the spider gets him "do not go somewhere i cannot follow"...that struck me and i've pondered upon it with everything that we've been talking about with CL.. Katt, i like your following, obedience, and freedom thoughts...they are so much different than the world defines them though...i had to ask many many questions to understand when my fellow CLers were using such words...Fraternity was interesting...i look forward to it this coming week... anyone want to tackle the question "who do you follow and why?"...when you think of this question it becomes so clear as to whether you are following the world or Christ in others...stop and think about who you follow and why...it is mindboggling at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 If you stop and ask yourself at various times of the day why am I doing this particular action and answer honestly , you might surprise yourself. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 There's a CL . This is amesome, actually this is almost the best thing that's happened to me all break. Ok, now for representing GS, woot. I follow them because I know that he loves me and that he has experienced something greater than I have and his indications lead me to experiencing that with him. It doesn't always come easily, and I don't always want to, and sometimes, in my freedom, I don't follow. I choose to listen to his indications and alter them slightly to fit my reality, my life. I desire to experience Christ in my life in ways that I never have before, and I take my indications from those in whom I recognize Christ. I follow them. But I don't just follow them because he's in charge and I have to. I follow because I desire to. I think that's amesome Katt. Most days following, being obedient is hard for me because I still have that inkling feeling that I know everything (most people call it being a teenager). But I know in my heart and sometimes in my head that Brandi and Mike and y'all are looking out for me and being obedient is in my best intrest. The freedom to obey is my own choice and frankly there have been many a time when I have chosen not to (I always seem to regret that in the end). In learning more about myself and searching more for the Truth I can see that I do desire to follow and I desire the Truth that they (CLers/GSers/CLUers) teach me. "who do you follow and why?"... I'll give this one a small shot, mostly personal story though. At NCYC in Indy I met a group of kids, some of whom I went to school with, who struck me so much so that now, two years later, they are my best friends. They struck me because I felt a tangible love between them and I desired to belong to that and they accepted everyone. I could see by the way they played together and prayed together that they knew or understood something I had not gotten. So I followed them and ended up an adoptive member of their, now my, youth group. And I followed them to CL, well technically GS, and I love GS. It has taught me how to interact with people, how to make myself see Christ in them, how to be Christ to them. I have followed GS for so long because when Brandi or Vince or Chuck or whoever asks, "Why do you come to GS? Why do you stay?" I have an answer and more importantly, it's a little different every time, which means I'm still learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 I have followed GS for so long because when Brandi or Vince or Chuck or whoever asks, "Why do you come to GS? Why do you stay?" I have an answer and more importantly, it's a little different every time, which means I'm still learning. Amen to that one!! not only are you learning but you are growing and you desire more!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 What makes you come? and what makes you stay? two questions we must ask ourselves.....so, why do you come and why do you stay?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 in CL this past week we read the first few paragraphs of Chapter 5 in the book, Why the Church...well, we talked about events, experiences, and such...it is not the event itself that is important but what happens in the event that makes it important!... what did everyone else talk in CL about this past week?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sista2b Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 community its hard to find Catholic friends in a over 90percent Catholic town why? b/c they're all Catholic in heritage but thats where it ends its great to hang out w/ other freaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt1227 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 We haven't gotten our CLU group started back up this semester yet, so I don't have much to share... but I have had some interesting experiences. And I like the idea that you shared, DM, about experiences. It's not the event, but what happens in the event that makes it important. I just got back from a leadership conference in Orlando with the National Catholic Student Coalition. 300+ Catholic College Students learning and celebrating their faith. What an amazing encounter. It wasn't the place (although Florida was nice and warm in January) or the things that we did that made the encounter amazing... it was the people I met and shared the experience with. I learned so much about my faith through the wonderful people I met. I'm looking forward to Diaconia this weekend, and getting our CLU group started back up again. I've missed the people in my community here in Lexington while I was away at break. Of course it meant I got to be with the community in E'ville which is always wonderful!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 CL......GS Words cannot express. What makes you come? What makes you stay? I have struggles with those questions since the first time I saw them, yet I am still not sure that I have the answer nor am sure if I will ever know. I know that I am satisfied with not knowing right now, but I might have a hint of knowledge. Well, what/who made me come the first time was Brandi, the most amesome coolest person I have ever met by the way. She said, not her words exactly, that it would be good for me. I had every desire to go. I knew I needed more Christ in my life. I wanted more Christ in my life. Then was a time when I knew I was lost and Brandi gave me that map. I was a litle nervous at first when she gave me that map. Actually I was REALLY nervous. Did I have the map upside down, did I have my compass the wrong way and was this map deciving? Well those questions were answered two weeks later. No, no, and no. I was very hesitant to go and I was probably nervous the WHOLE time, but right when I came in the room, well actually thelong event of finding the upper room, that took a map all by itself...But right after I entered Brandi gave me a big hug and it lowered my anxiety a little. I sat by Vince. That was comforting becauser I had met him at the last TEC reunion, wheter he remembered it or not. I remember the first song we sang, well I think it was the first. My Father Sings Unto Me. The emotions were over whelming. I almost started crying, and then after singing was discussion...we didn't use the book but talked about belonging. I talked, which was even more scary, but luckily Vince was right by my side. He even encouraged me to give my two cents. I actually felt like I BELONGED like I still BELONG. That word means sooo much more to me know. The "I" from the exhaulting of the I means so much more to me know after reading this CL thread. I stay not only because I feel that I belong, but for so much more. I can't explain the feeling that I get from being at GS. I LOVE GS. My heart fills with sooo much joy when I am there. It's like a high and when I leave I am still filled with the joy of others and more importantly the joy of Christ, but it is lessened in a sense because that joy was in my heart and everytime I leave I feel like I leave a piece of my heart at GS. How can you leave a piece of your heart at GS some might ask...you leave it with the people...Because that is what GS is. GS IS the people. "Seven days without the Eucharist makes on weak." Yes, I feel that about the Eucharist, but I feel hat way about GS too. I wait in anticipation every single day for GS. GS brings me joy in life, not only Christ's joy and other's joy, but it brings me a joy of my own. I wasn't the happiest person before I began going to GS and I am not even the happiest person now, but GS brings me happiness. It fulfills SO much in my life. It almost makes me sort of sad right now talking about how much I love being at GS because itbrings me to the realization(SP?) that I am not there right now. GS has meaning to me beyond my words and I wish everyone couls experience GS as I have. I go because I NEED GS. I stay because it fulfills me and I have a tiny bit of hope that I can help at least one person at least one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 May I also add if y'all don't mind...Well, I tell y'all anyway. The joy I get from GS I also feel a sense of it here. It is harder to feel the bonds on a thread, I believe. But I still feel like I am getting to know you. It's so weird to feel like you know someone and they don't even have a face. So anyways when i am here I feel like I BELONG, yes sometimes I am still nervous here and i am hesitant to post, but i think that i am just the nervous type of person and I have to overcome that irrational fear. I am sooo glad to have found y'all. I want you to know how important YOU are. Y'all touch my heart soo much and exhalt my I. You are such a great people. I have learned so much just by being in your presence (or reading about it) God Bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So it's me again...imagine that. So someone, a very brillant person, just remembered why she is the only one posting on this thread. I miss y'all. :sadder: Even though I don't put too much input here I still come to hear/read what y'all are thinking. I hope all of you CLers are having an amesome time in Mn. I have been praying for y'all and I am praying for your safe return home. I can't wait til y'all come back and share your exciting experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Speaking of GS, well since most of the CLers are gone. How many of y'all BELONG to GS? or go to it if you don't yet feel as if you belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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